I realise there are ways for me to edit ShoTro's map but if I somehow fuck things up and his map is broken in the pack i'd feel awful. So I'd rather wait for the man himself to issue a quick fix :)

Thanks Warren, that skybox kicks arse!

SOON HYPE SOON 

for switchable lights, aguirre's light.exe and the jury rigged util has a -onlyents switch to relink switchable lights. unfortunately, ericw's light does not have this. (nor the original tyrlight) 

2PSB

Can someone delete Tronyn's compilers so he switches to good ones? 

i will add that to the todo list, I forgot that qbsp -onlyents would break switchable lights (but it makes sense).

I ran a last minute "qbsp -onlyents" last night of Tronyn's/my map, luckily there don't seem to be any switchable lights, so it should be OK. 

I compiled to 2psb because Tronyn's other releases used it, and also some more engines can run it; I'm not sure if he uses RMQEngine. AFAICS, it doesn't make much difference which BSP2 variant is used?

We're planning to release a cleaned up version at some point so could switch to BSP2 then I guess. 

ericw/necros/czg, what do you mean by "switchable lights" - you don't mean, say, a light that's off by default that gets switched on by a monster dying? heh heh -_- 

lights with a "targetname" switch on/off when triggered. I think there's a spawnflag to make them start "off" 

Huh, I ran -onlyents recompile on my map like 5+ times, but it still seems to work just fine.. (since the light that gets switched on is what I was tweaking each time) using tyrutils-ericw 

Anything reasonable supports BSP2, RMQEngine should be all that only supports 2PSB and no one should care (nothing against RMQ there). QuakeForge explicitly does not support 2PSB but BSP2. Afaik there is only one minor difference format wise. It just makes no sense to use that format. :\

Tronyn's other maps only used it because he didn't know better. 

but didn't see the discussion about the level name. Sent 

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61228

Enjoy <3 <3 <3 

While this map might be a lot of half baked ideas thrown together this jam has though me where to set my expectations next time. 

It is late. Stupid auto correct 

I set up a coop server running JAM6 at 67.55.27.60:26001 If anyone's interested in playing with others. I'll leave it online for a few days. If it's offline assume the wifey shut off the PC. 

That's cool!

Please note, my map DOES NOT WORK in coop, I even placed the coop spawn in a little box informing the player of that. Sorry! some of the things done in my map are broken if you play it coop, but accepted that since few people actually play coop :(

(Also, we should keep future discussion to the release thread!) 

Your feedback will help me a lot. I have ideas on optimizing the level without deleting the actual paths.
As for the enemies your criticism still stands, but that's also because I haven't finished doing difficulty works on them. I reserved that for when the level worked 100% first. 

I procrastinated like a champ and restarted about 3 times. I was having a world of pain with rock faces using the vertex and clipping tool in jackhammer. But I think I came up with a neat solution. So far I've had no strange errors, disappearing brushes etc.

I made the area I wanted to be cliff face out of a solid and split it into even sized cubes with the clip tool. I then made a corner convex, a corner concave and a slope shape. These are all the same size as the aforementioned cubes. Now building is just like minecraft... Sort of.

If I want to change the angle of part of the cliff I can stretch it to double its length with no errors. If I want a part of the cliff to jut out I can rotate the blocks 180 degrees. It's working out pretty well. 

When is DLC being released? Deadline? 

I think I will rework my map to be more than just a lame tech demo, but I will probably do it as a separate thing because I'd want to use some custom qc... Probably want to get some moving machinery stuffs, ohhh maybe a tram ride or something. That'd be cool. I remember way back we talked about bezier curves, would be interesting to try to get that going in qc. 

FYI I loved the atmosphere of your map. The sparseness of monsters felt right. Lighting and textures are gorgeous. I'd rather play more maps like it than having it changed. 

interesting... i thought the main complaint was the lack of fighting. i can certainly preserve the slower paced gameplay, although i am sorely tempted to do a chthon horde fight somehow. ;) 

Chthons all around the level in the lava!
The thing I found most irritating though was the sparklies everywhere, esp dark areas, since the level is unvised. Did you have issues with vis, or was it just because time? 

tasteful use of Doom textures, I enjoyed that. 

Necros: There's some bezier spline code in the honey progs if you look through it. It's not perfect, but it could maybe be a starting point. 

ptoing: the level doesn't vis because the utility crashes :P i never bothered reporting it to eric at the time because itwouldn't have helped at all since the entire map is basically one giant room and he was working on that tronyn/eric collab at the time.

i've been meaning to send a bug report to him afterwards but kept forgetting...

what might help is changing the walls that contain the map to use a black texture so that sparklies will be less of a problem.

now, from what i remember, sparklies are caused by t-junctions not being created, and there were some problems with that during compilation.

czg: cheers, dude!