#126 posted by mankrip on 2016/09/06 05:13:43
Pretty cool map. A bit cinematic, without obstructing the gameplay. Though encounters, and impressive lighting. I still haven't beaten it.
ArrrCee Playing Map Jam 7
#127 posted by khreathor on 2016/09/06 15:22:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECF-LHTJqxI
He has some problems with running 2 maps... Worth investigating ans helping him to solve this problems.
Quoth 2-2
#128 posted by mjb on 2016/09/06 15:28:25
Seems like not having the patch issue to me, I already responded. It could be something else but the fact the same section broke on your map and mine makes me feel like that is the case.
Yeah It's Quoth Version For Sure
#129 posted by khreathor on 2016/09/06 15:32:46
My map is broken too, it's the same issue mentioned before.
#130 posted by Newhouse on 2016/09/07 02:05:32
Basically every map which used logic gates are broken, if not using the latest Quoth 2.2.
#131 posted by mankrip on 2016/09/09 00:46:21
Tens' map was easy, but my engine crashes when I get into the regular dodecahedron structure at the end. Also, lots of visual glitches in the dodecahedron structure as well as in the blue tubes leading to it. Not a fault of the map, of course.
The whole map felt like a prelude to a boss battle.
Video Of Ionous' Map
#132 posted by razer_ on 2016/09/11 16:46:43
Here is a video play-through of Ionous' map you guys can check out.
Watch full screen. The video was recorded at the native resolution of the game engine running at 640x480 and 8x anti-aliasing. I used OBS and recorded at large / indistinguishable quality size and the microphone is on so you can hear me while playing.
https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B5jSSn30b51EUmlaLWdtN2U4Zmc&export=download
400 megs, yeah... I'm not gonna bother downloading that.
640x480
#134 posted by killpixel on 2016/09/11 19:35:16
and anti-aliasing?
Wut.
Aftershock
#135 posted by mankrip on 2016/09/11 22:19:04
Upload it to YouTube. YouTube's compression sucks for image quality, but it's way more convenient for watching.
Yes, 640x480 And 8x AA
#136 posted by razer_ on 2016/09/11 22:36:45
Killpixel, yes, I think 640x480 is the ideal resolution for classic Doom and Quake One. I think the textures look the best as well as the geometry.
The anti-aliasing just looks better because the textures have pixel smoothing so the edges should be smoothed too. I did some experimenting and found the textures were designed to be run at 640x480 and they look the best at that resolution. I also just love it because I think it is classic and true to the nature of the game, but also the game when it was at its best.
Low resolution with high anti-aliasing looks so much better on a classic game like Quake than higher resolution. I just love it.
I actually made a post on my blog called "What Quake is supposed to look like" with some snapshot comparisons, so I'm very specific about how I like my Quake to look.
http://slipgatestation.blogspot.com/2016/06/what-quake-is-supposed-to-look-like.html
Jesus
That awful .lit pack will never die.
#136
#138 posted by mankrip on 2016/09/11 23:43:17
John Carmack himself recommended a r_wateralpha value of 0.6 in the GLQuake readme.
Quake was never supposed to be that blurry; It's impossible to distinguish the individual tiles of the lower floor in your screenshot. Even WinQuake at 320x240 has a better texture definition than that... and the assets in Quake were primarily developed for software rendering.
Quake's software renderer calculates the mipmap scale from the surface vertex that's closest to the camera, so its textures looks as sharp as possible, with some moire artifacts when rendered at non-parallel angles. Hardware renderers goes the other way, calculating the mipmap scale from the point farthest away from the camera, which means that all points closer to the camera will be excessively blurred instead of generating moire artifacts.
So, if you want to have a better taste of "What Quake is supposed to look like", enable anisotropic filtering to get a sharper texture quality.
@aftershock
#139 posted by anonymous user on 2016/09/11 23:49:16
You should turn off texture filtering too... Blured textures looks like shit.
To Each Their Own
#140 posted by killpixel on 2016/09/11 23:56:17
I prefer a more "retro" aesthetic myself. That said, using AA defeats half the purpose of low resolutions. You say the textures look best at that resolution but you're using trilinear filtering in your example (??). I get what you're trying to do, I just think you're doing it, well, wrong.
I just love it.
That's all that matters, do your thing and take my opinion with a grain of salt :)
for what it's worth, this is my quakespasm config:
playdemo demo1
host_maxfps 144
gl_texturemode GL_NEAREST
gl_zfix 1
r_particles 2
sv_aim 1
#138
#141 posted by razer_ on 2016/09/12 00:01:58
Yeah, if you go above .6 water alpha it isn't even noticeable I think. .4 is about the lowest and .6 the highest. So, one of those three. I tend to like the crystal clear kind of water like you get in the tropics. So GL.
The blurring on the textures is only in the distance and anti-aliasing does not cause textures to be blurred, it only smooths out edges. The pixel smoothing which is on by default in GL like ports such as QuakeSpasm, but I know you can disable it with a console command.
I don't think QuakeSpasm supports anisotropic filtering. This is how classic GL games looked before anisotropic filtering and I ran GL Quake at the time at 640x480, so that is how it looked. This is part of the classic look.
I prefer the look of the game when it reached full maturity. That is how I played back in the day. In the same way that I played the GL version of Quake I also played the Doom 95 version of Doom the longest which upgraded the resolution to 640x480.
#142 posted by killpixel on 2016/09/12 00:10:52
I don't think QuakeSpasm supports anisotropic filtering.
it does :)
gl_texture_anisotropy
If you want the glquake aesthetic *shudders* you probably want to use GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR
#143 posted by ericw on 2016/09/12 00:11:19
I don't think QuakeSpasm supports anisotropic filtering
It does, e.g. "gl_texture_anisotropy 16"
You could
Yeah, at the end of the day, it's personal preference.
Some "classic" Pro Tips For You
gl_flashblend 1
gl_fullbrights 0
gl_overbright 0
gl_overbright_models 0
"Enjoy" your classic 1997 look.
#145 posted by ericw on 2016/09/12 00:12:59
was going to say you could even use "-bpp 16" for that crunchy voodoo look, but I saw your blog mentioned Mac and QS doesn't seem to be able to get a 16-bit GL context on Mac.
#144
#146 posted by killpixel on 2016/09/12 00:14:48
loool
#147 posted by mankrip on 2016/09/12 01:13:47
>I prefer the look of the game when it reached full maturity.
>GL Quake
GLQuake was never officially finished, and it is unsupported
The only fully mature port of the game is WinQuake. But I give up on stating facts.
Besides, what usually matters the most is the user perspective, and in this sense, "That is how I played back in the day" is what matters.
Some "classic" Pro Tips For You #2
#148 posted by spy on 2016/09/12 06:51:46
gl_flashblend 1
gl_fullbrights 0
gl_overbright 0
gl_overbright_models 0
"Enjoy" your classic 1997 look.
And don't forget to turn off "model interpolation"
#149 posted by Kinn on 2016/09/12 07:41:08
Yes it can't be stressed enough that the look of crappy old GL Quake is not a "classic look", it's the look of a half-finished tech demo that was idly spunked out on a bored sunday by Carmack.
I do agree that 640x480 is optimal for quake, but yes I agree with others that - good lord - I have no earthly idea why you'd then want texture filtering and AA with that (and to be honest it would be more pleasant having battery acid squirted into my eyes, than to enable that simply ghastly old coloured .lit pack ~ shudder ~)
That said, this is just opinion and please don't take this as personal criticism - the important thing is that each individual can tweak the settings to their taste.
Quake Hitler Strikes Again!
#150 posted by negke on 2016/09/12 09:15:09
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