|Posted by Shambler on 2019/03/22 14:23:02|
|In the words of Hardcore Mazu:
This is probably really weird style to make a map in Quake and my brushwork + detailing is almost whatever quality and all over the place. Being visually artistic about stuff has never been my strong trait. I feel like I'm in the 90s again with this, but that is ok, it is still something.
925 kills and 37 secrets on hard difficulty. The map is huge. Average time for me to 100% clear it is around 70 minutes.
Map has been tested for several times. I'm in weird place with this map as I kind of want to fix things, but I just can't bring myself to make any more changes to it. So, unfortunately I can't decide what to do with it right now. Guess you can just say it is as ready as it gets.
I almost didn't download it because of the negative description, but I'm glad I did it anway.
You kind of expect a crap map with tons of mob spamming, but instead get one of the highlight maps in a good while.
The underwater bit was awesome and the first time I didn't hate swimming in Quake, even though I got smashed a couple of times.
Sure it may not be as pretty as some of the other AD base maps, but it gets away with it because it's a base map if that makes sense.
Solid 9/10 probably 9,5 if it had the looks of AD_crucial and AD_Tfuma.
Do You Like Rubicon / RRP?
It's wery close to Rubicon/RRP hits, just simple in ik_base skin. Very nice.
Holy Hell, An Incredible Map!
Reminds me of Redfield's "Paradise Sickness" or Andrew "than" Palmer's "Subterranean Library." Excellent stuff.
Now that is some 'kin Quake map!
Best Map Of The Year
... until now.
Really impressive map. It well deserves to be in the AD maps. The equivalent of Forgetten Sepulter but for science fciotn base for me.
Remind me a little bit RMQuake maps.
And the plot was nice, as I was surprised by the end :)
You played this yet?
Busy etc. Might do soon.
Love this map!
Action, action, riddles, action.
This map never gets boring and the design is really impressive.
A lot of fun and a lot to lurn for mapping.
Got Some System Shock 1 Vibes
and that's in a good way :) Great map!
I played through this one in a single sitting. I really enjoyed it. Some thoughts:
How would the experience have been better if this map was split into 3-4 separate maps?
I think the enemy density was a bit too high, felt grindy at times.
For me, the highlight was riding the antenna up to the outside area.
Overall, this was a tremendous effort and a must play. Here's my Video Playthrough
. Great work!
I think the link is wrong there jcr!
Argh, thanks for pointing it out- here it is:
Thank You All For The Feedback
Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone for giving this map a shot and to tell you that I had fun watching playthroughs of it.
Map could have been a bit more compact and less filling, but splitting it apart while being so nonlinear would be very difficult. Or at least it would take a lot more effort to do the split properly. I wanted it to feel like an adventure of madness.
Mapping for Quake 1 is something I just picked up recently to try it out, but I will try to make more for it in the near future.
Thanks again for responses!
please shoot me an email (in my profile)
We would like to have you as a guest on the Quakecast.
Tried This Briefly.
Seemed pretty good so far, strong theme and some proper designs, ammo seemed a bit sparse on the route I went. I....will leave it until I am more in the mood for a 1000 monster multi-hour map tho.
About halfway through (I'm tackling over multiple play sessions; I can't marathon game like I used to) and so far I'm loving it. The difficulty is just about perfect on skill 2. Quite dense at times but I like it that way. Monsters are very intelligently respawned when you revisit certain areas. Exploring and fighting through the outside area was especially fun and chaotic. Looking forward to completing this one.
What a great map.
Well, Nearly Half-way Through And This Is Fucking Bonkers.
It really is as big and monster packed as it promises. Strong theme, strong detailing, reasonably varied, some impressive structures outside. Gameplay inside is consistently good - tough, a bit hectic, but generally fair and balanced. However, gameplay outside, the way I popped into it, was bloody hard and relentless and I got through it by the skin of my teeth - felt like it could have been really frustrating and needed some beefier supplies before popping out. Also having "done" the outside bit, it would have been nice to have shortcuts opening up.
demo from about, errr, 20 mins or so here. More tomorrow maybe.
Mapping for Quake 1 is something I just picked up recently to try it out
spunks out a 8192^3, 1000-monster facemelter that would make Tronyn look at it and think "hmmm i'd probably have toned it down a bit"
It's like Telefragged and Warpspasm had a hideous bastard offspring that outgrew both of them.
70 minutes for a 100%, no-one fucking listen to him. It took me 2:30 hours just to get through it, albeit with a bit of backtracking.
1. Play slowly and carefully with a lot of duck and shoot.
2. Don't run amok in any areas unless forced to.
3. See 1.
4. Don't try power-up runs as it forces you to rum amok.
5. See 1.
Then it's probably a whole lot of fun. For me there was a lot of fun but a fair bit of frustration on some areas. Overall the sheer INTRIGUE of it kept me going, it really is an experience, like it's thematic ancestors. Congrats Mazu, it might be a bit rough around a few edges but it is an epic release and a must play.
2nd part here.
Where is it rough around the edges? I thought the map was refined and highly polished.
Gameplay balance is all over the place, some of it is fine, some areas like the outside bit (madness) and the labs (one health pack for 50 monsters) are not.
Underwater section is too long-winded and frustrating.
Outside section has cool designs but looks like they were sorta dumped there.
Over-reliance on crates.
Quite a few bits of scenery and slime that are awkward and easy to get stuck on / fall into.
Even with the arrows it's pretty maze-like in places.
Shortcuts to previously visited areas take ages to unlock esp. outside area.
Detailing can seem a bit cluttered / arbitrary in places.
Lighting is a bit flat throughout, esp in outside area which doesn't use skybox light.
Please note that these are semi-nit-picky criticisms, but since you did ask. And in Mazu's own words: "my brushwork + detailing is almost whatever quality and all over the place. " - tbh it's a lot better than he says it is and getting any kind of refinement and polish on a map like this is some feat.
Thanks for clarifying. I thought the outside area was awesome, good challenge (playing on normal) and a good change of pace. Nice visual variation but still consistent with the overall theme of the map. Plenty of ammo if you jump around a bit and find a couple of secrets. The lack of skybox light I thought was deliberate to set the scene of an eerie scrap yard with some serious shit about to go down. The labs were again challenging but with ample space to move around. I thought the secrets were expertly placed throughout the map to balance gameplay. Underwater sections were awesome, rather than frustrating I would describe them as challenging if you fancy a bit of that in a Quake map. No complaints about overuse of crates or slime sections either. Lighting I thought was well above average with sensible use of coloured lights and fog. The map kept reminding me of AD quality throughout and I didn't find anything I didn't like during my first run. As you say, refining a map of this magnitude is a tall order and I thought he did an exceptional job with it.
Spoilers: Don't read this if you haven't played it.
I wasn't a huge fan of the map early on - felt crampy and easy to get stuck on stuff while enemy weapon roulette (guess what colour that silhouette of an enforcer is at the end of the corridor) blasted you from afar. The grenade ricochet off wall detail annoyed me more than it should have, but maybe I'm just rusty.
Once the level began to open up, give more weapons and space and more obviously different monster variety it got a lot more fun. The early play was attrition skirmishing, which is best when the player feels like they have a choice in how to approach each fight.
The five secrets actually as critical path thing was a great way to present the story through the level, especially with the exit fakeout.
I think there are a lot of approaches to this map, given the nonlinear routes and amount of weapons either hidden in secrets or just off the critical path. It's quite easy to start running out of ammo only to realise you missed a weapon pickup.
Secrets were usually logically placed and rewarded the player with more map (always the best reward) although in the early DBS secret I totally missed the weapon at first and only noticed after going back out. The book of loneliness I had to rocket push to.
Overall, and as others have commented, mostly good, sometimes great and occasionally annoying and/or awesome in equal measure.
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