Sick map dude. 

Very deathmetalic, like it! 

Good Zer store product. Typical shamblorde fights that turned out suprisingly well for me, especially since I grabbed the plasmagun early. Didn't feel too hard, but fun carnage overall. Theme is good, bit dark, but works in its favor.

I would've wished for more a polished instead of a well-timed release, though. The packaging is crap with the root folder and including the sentinel files which are part of AD anyway (plus incorrectly named sounds directory for AD). The map is partially boxed; the leaks could've been fixed or worked around despite the QuArK-style gridwork. Prefabs rooms still present, too.

Demo 

Many models turn into a white-blueish model, I dunno why. Is this a bug in QS ?

You guys should try playing Quake while listening to Vikings War songs. It's awesome ! 

when a mod calls for a skin on a model that doesn't have one, older versions of Quakespasm show checkers...can't recall if it is fixed. Typical scenario is a monster with multiple skins, but gibs that only have 1 skin. A lot of older engines would just fall back to skin 0 though. 

I will check that later.

Otherwise the packaging should be correct for players - none of my 3 testers had any problem with it, so I'm not sure what problem you had?? I provided clear instructions.

I had to download quoth_extra and add them myself to the stock AD 1.7.1 so I'm not sure how they're part of AD anyway??

As for the "partially boxed" and "prefabs left in" """""issues""""", I will reserve a more personal comment for next time we play Vermintide2 together, and will boost my mic more just for that. Apologies to Zwiff in advance. Suffice to say for the moment I could have easily """ fixed""" both of those - and indeed looked at the prefabs before deliberately choosing to leave them in - as an indicator of just how tiny the micro-shit is that I give about that irrelevant behind-the-scenes BS that other mappers might notice if they are wasting their time no-clipping through and has absolutely fuck all effect on the normal players that I'm actually making the map before. I do wish, however, that I'd taken the time to rename secret 8 as "Negke's Nagging Noise" secret as I did plan.

Glad the combat was fair - it was deliberately designed to be hordey for a change. The Plasmagun is designed to be collected ASAP yes, with many indications that way. 2/3 testers said the original map was fine in midday testing, 1/3 didn't so I lightened it a bit and tested it with Gamma 1 (which makes most Quake maps look unplayably fulldark on my rig). 

 

It's only the QC that's included in AD 1.7, so Sentinel files are correct. But you'd want to remove the "ad_shamsp4" root folder so people can extract right into AD dir, and rename sounds to sound. 

I have the issue with no textures on Gaunts. The Sentinels work fine (I think!) for me. I'm using the latest QSS and AD 1.71.

Other than that, I love the map. It's not common to get the plasma gun so early in a map and it felt really good. Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year. :) 

But I just ignored it, figuring it wasn't anything serious. Didn't distract that the map was a ton of fun with just the right amount of carnage, challenge, and fetus.

First playthrough, hard skill:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/orl_ad_shamsp4.rar 

But you'd want to remove the "ad_shamsp4" root folder so people can extract right into AD dir, and rename sounds to sound.

Yes, sorry, I have fixed that and replaced the upload. Not sure how that slipped through.

Still, it could have been a worse package - it could have featured missing files, additional screenshots, additional promo videos, horrendously complicated map names, complete unrelated folder structures and a readme called readme.txt 

Really not sure about this one, again no issues reported in multiple tests - and I am using a fresh(-ish) install of AD 1.71 with nothing added to it, and the same for Quakespasm.

The only thing it might be is forcing exactskin = 1 on enemies to get rid of the fucking randomized greenish skin that gets on a lot of AD models by default. But I'm not sure how that would cause a problem on some experience and not others... 

Thanks to lpowell, Scrama, Barnak, Hipnotic Rogue and ORL for enjoying the map despite the b0rked skins. It turns out it was forcing exactskin = 1 , I've no idea why it only happens to some people, but hopefully I've fixed it (selected all the monsters, turned exactskins off, then selected all the zombies, and turned it back on for them).

Sorry for a bit of b0rkage with this, it's pretty frustrating when nothing at all goes wrong in testing and then b0rkages appear out of thin air after release!

P.S. Yes I wanted a gameplay theme of carnage - evne more so if you get the secrets.

P.P.S. Viking war metal would be fine, but brutal or cult death metal better ;) 

If the gaunt has 1 and only 1 skin (it does), then trying to set it higher than skin 0 will cause black and blue checkers....but only on engines that don't fall back to skin 0 if a higher number is called.

MarkV falls back to skin 0, not sure about others. irc QS does not. 

died alone in a tarbaby hole.
recorded demo til that point.

Good fun, lots of cool shit in this, I died stupidly super fair til that point. also got plasma early. Glad you're continuing at this clip, as a now casual player really liking the tempo of releases. and as a not accomplished non mapper I'm very open minded about with boxes, prefab rooms, and full on bi curious about the "QuARK-style gridwork"
Thanks for the map! 

Someone must have hacked the map and added those, sheesh. 

that map made me laugh
3/5 stars
played it and then deleted it ffs 

demos https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ue2w19aetaxytp/daz_shamsp4_2.zip?dl=0

(recorded on the version available on the 3/1/19)

cool style and visuals, especially the final room! A bit too dark in places but nothing unplayable.

Love the exploding quakeguy bodies, and a nice twist with them later on that made me reel back in terror :D

Combat was mostly fine but there were too many situations where you could take out enemies long range where they were no threat to you, and many instance where you could ping pong out from a door way and kill everything in the next room while being safe for the most part.

I think the last room suffers from this quite a lot. If the bottom of the room (with the fetus) was bigger and the player was forced to stay down there while enemies reinforced from above it would feel much better as everything would be a threat, as it was I stuck around in the corner by the button and sniped most of the room from a totally safe position.

I didn't realise the bone ladders were actually ladders until after the final room arena was done. These ladders needed to be introduced earlier in the map so that players have time to examine them and see what they do before they are entered into combat!

The slope jump to grab some items is cute but assumes that the player knows about slope jumping! I suppose it isn't so bad here as the player can get to the items later on so the slope jump acts like an early unlock mechanism. I guess I actually don't mind it so much now that I've written it down :)

I found 0/8 secrets! Nothing ever really stood out to me as an "ahh I bet I can jump there" or "looks like a ledge I can walk around" etc. I really have no idea where any of the secrets could possibly be :) There was a lack of any visual language or foreshadowing to give me an impulse to explore for secrets. As an example in most sock maps there is a specific type of window that is always breakable, and you are given one of these "for free" near the beginning of the map. Later in the level you can see these windows in places far away or somewhere you cannot reach currently and it makes you think about the level and how to get there.

Err a wrote a lot. Happy new year! 

Here, play Quake (any map in nightmare mode) while listening to this awesome track :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPDmZx3gKk

Vikings in Hell Valhalla. 

Great post, glad you had fun, useful comments too...

A bit too dark in places but nothing unplayable.

Good luck playing some of the SM190 maps ;). It was tricky to get the lighting balance right as it needed some darkness for atmosphere and 2/3 testers found the first, darker, incarnation fine.

Combat was mostly fine but there were too many situations where you could take out enemies long range where they were no threat to you, and many instance where you could ping pong out from a door way and kill everything in the next room while being safe for the most part.

Yup that's part of it. I never like forcing the player into combats too much. In this case I wanted riotous ambushes but the player to have the option to charge around like a loon or play it tactically. I saw one tester go for the headlong approach and it was certainly more hectic and less "snipey from doorway". Same with the final room - it's a pure arena and I don't like arenas, so I tried to make it semi-dramatic but fairly reasonable combat. There's still a lot of damage coming your way if you're careless.

Good point about the ladders!! I thought they looked pretty ladder-like but then again I've thrown some wacky details into the map so maybe there could be confusion.

Slope-jumping, well given how ever cunt and his pet rotfish tried to steep-slope-slide to get out of the first area in Shamsp1, I hoped most people would get it easy enough - and I put in a lot hints that there was a plasma gun available, so hopefully they'd try something on that crate. Probably stand there gormlessly shooting at it.

Secrets....some are tricky, some less so. One simply requires going down a side-corridor. One is in plain view but requires a closer inspection. Three of them have two hints to their secret buttons / approaches. Another one just requires looking. I will do a runthrough at some point. 

Nice map. I downloaded it as soon it was released but I only just tackled it.

I agree that some of the long range combat made it too easy to take out enemies from far away, and it was easy to cheese some other enemies. Combat was mostly pretty good. I learned early on that pretty much every pickup would be trapped. Some of the effects like zombies spawning from the grunts on the medical tables were really neat. My only complaint was the tarbaby fury that you unleashed as that made it a little hard to take the map seriously at that point - it didn't really introduce much of a challenge since they were easy to avoid so they just ended up being bullet sponges.

After backing into that shambler in shamsp1, I learned my lesson about looking around me after pressing a button or triggering monster spawns. It paid off on the top level when a bunch of monsters spawned behind me. I found myself looking up for a lot of the combat and I felt sorry for Quakeguy's neck, but it was a good combat element.

0/8 secrets although I wasn't looking too hard, but I'm still surprised that I didn't stumble upon any. The ending was excellent. I liked the lights going out because things like that help maps to come alive, and it created an ominous feeling for the final encounter. I was mesmerized by the fetus and I liked how you concluded the map. Very twisted and unique. Well done. 

Good comments. Glad the pick-up / switch ambush correlation was clear. Glad the ending felt good
too.

Yes the spawn ambush was....well it made me laugh the first half a dozen times I triggered it, it is a bit silly but I liked it too much. The map treads a fine line between seriousness and cheesiness, but sobeit ;) 

 

As a bonus here's a run with all secrets including the notorious "Grid 0.125 secret"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXrSqpZx2bQ