very nice! 

You people make me writhe in utter.. glee and humbleness. Thank you.

Anyways, Wazat... yea, just drop me a line through http://www.phaitaccompli.com/design/

but keep in mind Im not charging anything (to us mappers) :D

Arent I grand?
No?
Hrm.. 

impressive 3d demos (just hit the page to find out details)
http://www.theproduct.de/

for more
http://www.farb-rausch.com/

Ofcourse if you are aware of demoscene you`v seen those lready 

Can someone list me some good coop games please. I`ll need people to think about this as I`d quite like a good choice of games that fit the following maybe...

> Not too difficult
> Not purely shooting - something tactical, strategic, rpg-ish and/or with puzzle elements would be nice.
> Fairly new and with great graphics if possible.
> Something sci-fi, fantasy, or surreal rather than gritty realistic action.

For example, Serious Sam would be entirely unsuitable. A co-op version of something like a good 3D rpg would be much better.

Any ideas? 

i heard raven shield is rather nice
or vietcong
personally i didn`t like vietcong much, but maybe it`s fun in coop mode 

I picked it up for �14 and it`s great Coop.

Vietcong is a bit big for Coop and you need loadsa people really.

Also battlefield is an amazing coop game.

Raven Shield is good too 

Thats some amazing stuff!

When I clicked Download and it only came to 64k i thought there had been an error, though!

It`s ridiculous to think that they managed to fit a 3d engine, 66 textures, about 20 3d scenes, a synthesiser and 15 minutes of music into the size normally reserved for a button texture :) 

YAY! Thanks Speedy!

I already knew that farb-rausch website but the other one is new to me. Some really impressive stuff there, I wish I could code that :(... 

Operation Flashpoint si teh fun! 

masturbating together with your friends. 

Starcraft ;)

Q1 Team Fortress.

HL/CounterStrike (if you`re into that kinda thing... ;P ).

(btw, had to re-type this post. This &#(^%(&@`n apostrophe buisiness is driv`n me nuts!) 

you dont like consoles, right shambler?

well anyway, halo coop is awesome. loved it.

ive been playing ghost recon and i like it best coop - its a realistic game though. teamwork is what its all about.

i didnt like dungeon siege coop because you dont get a party. you only have a single guy, but others seemed to like that. maybe if that single guy could be cooler... 

Is the best fun I`d had in ages and for �14 you can`t go wrong.

I`ve play Halo and didn`t go much on that at all. Although Sega GT was an amazing game it`s just like Gran Turismo but with alot better graphics.

/me thinks consoles are t3h s4wk 

Thats one of the failings of Dungeon Siege, as H-Hour pointed out, in multiplayer youre restricted to a single character (per player) only.

As I tried to mention in a post in Shamblers last 8 months of gaming thread, before said post was eaten by the apostophe bug... the gameplay is a bit too simplistic if you only have a single character, as you cant control their actions much (they fight automatically), so the gameplay is more about managing your party (the characters you collect as you play) than micro-management of a single character.

So multiplayer might get quite boring, especially with only 2 people. Its hard to say without trying it properly I suppose.

I still recommend you pick up a copy of Dungeon Siege, Shambler... its a lovely game and I think youd appreciate it. The gameplay certainly isnt bad, just a bit simplistic. 

NWN is good coop if you like to read. It's not coop but I'm going to recommend any 4player tetris version anyways. 

uhhh
some problems I hate fixing
map delayed
;( 

An interesting schism in what people are suggesting (perhaps the schism between those who read the whole post and those who didn`t :P)...

Raven Shield, Vietcong, Battlefield 1942, Operation Flashpoint, Ghost Recon - NO! I asked for NOT gritty realistic action.

Starcraft, Q1 TF, HL/Counterstrike - NO! I asked for fairly new with great graphics.

Nor, for that matter, did I ask for teamplay - just coop.

Dungeon Siege, NWN - Yes! This is more like it. I didn`t know if coop is possible in those sorts of games. How focused are these two games on hack`n`slash button mashing action compared to exploration, story, characters etc etc?? Also would it be possible in a coop game for one player for focus on action and the other to focus on other aspects of progression??

Any more suggestions (not just RPGs) now this post might have clarified things?? 

HL2 screens : http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/ryanw/HL2/

Build your shelters now, the world is going to end soon. 

Does anyone have contact details for tawilson from Undulation (http://planetunreal.com/undulation/aboutundule.htm). The @home.com email is bouncing :[ 

last I knew, he went pro so he hasnt touched that site in a while I think. 

hl2 is looking amazing...and september release date! 

First off, I am sorry to anyone who I have ever pissed off, especially Fern if you still come around or read this. Lately, I have been thinking, and nothing positive comes from my talking to anyone in the mapping community, most likely due to my own negativity.

I have not mapped in a long time nor do I have the desire to do so. I think also, that when I post here or talk to people in #terrafusion, I am looking for something and expecting something that I should not from total strangers, and once again I apologize for that.

So, consider yourselves lucky to be (seemingly) gaining a positive member of the mapping masses (Shambler) and losing a negative one.

Thanks guys. 

Precisely, Fribbles. When I played Enclave, the first thought I had was, what if they employed this simple mechanism of attack/defend into the multiplayer version of Dungeon Siege? It would have made the game much more engaging.

Also shambler, something you should know about Dungeon Siege coop: Its not the single player campaign coop. Its just that the multiplayer world is also a campaign. So you can play the one-character multiplayer campaign with other people, but you cant have two guys controlling a party, moving through the campaign story.

Also, for those that enjoyed Dungeon Siege coop, Ive been following the progress of the Shadows of Winter mod which looks to be a huge, professional overhaul of the system, with completely new monsters, an in-depth story and lots of other changes (most notably getting rid of the hack and slash gameplay). Since Dungeon Siege was pretty useless to me after I finished the SP campaign, Im hoping this mod will breath some new life into the game for me. For those interested, heres the URL:

http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~shadowsofwinter/ 

if HL2 has a september release date, its quite possible it could be going almost head to head with DOOM 3 [which i have a strong feeling will be released around October/November].

Which could be fun. 

Indeedy :D