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#501 posted by R.P.G. on 2004/06/27 19:58:53
Everyone just refers to him as "Arnold," whereas you felt obliged to call the former governer "Davis." People always prefer someone they're on a first-name basis with.
And...
#502 posted by distrans on 2004/06/27 20:05:30
...I am not my script.
RPG
#503 posted by pushplay on 2004/06/27 22:34:18
That's an interesting theory, but I think everyone says Arnold Schwarzenegger and types Arnold beause they're afraid to try to spell his last name. (I used google of course.) If someone walked up to me on the street and started talking aboit Arnold I probably wouldn't know who they were referring to.
But If They Said It Like
#504 posted by HeadThump on 2004/06/27 22:42:39
'Ahh-nahlld', you would get it.
Arnie
#505 posted by VoreLord on 2004/06/28 04:11:17
A person who has the determination, the will, the drive to achieve the heights that he has, whether it be in Body Building, Acting, whatever, I think has that special something that sets them apart from the pack. Over here in Oz, where I am, a lot of people I know think it's a bit of a joke, him being in that position. But hey, he is an achiever, whether he is any good at it or not, only time will tell. One thing for sure, he's not in it for the fame or fortune.
I'm In Oz
#506 posted by nitin on 2004/06/28 04:53:18
and I think it's a joke, but then the appointment of bush was no less a joke.
Kinda Surprised
#507 posted by . on 2004/06/28 06:13:28
People from other countries care about other countrie's politicians.
Bush Thread
#508 posted by JPL on 2004/06/28 06:29:17
With a president like Bush, everybody all over the world have to care about US politics, especially US peoples !!!
I know that "frenchies" are not able to criticate US politics with our "thousands" of politic party here, but at least admit that it will be a pure shame if US people trust one more time Bush and its administration...
Vote for Kerry !!!! just because he practice windsurf like me ;D
Just..
#509 posted by JPL on 2004/06/28 06:30:47
.. view "Farenheit 9/11" to be conviced
LOL
#510 posted by R.P.G. on 2004/06/28 09:52:01
Well since it's back onto movies--I will not watch Farenheit 9/11 because:
1. Michael Moore is a propagandist. I'm not interested in the cinematography, or his "talent" as a film maker, so why else would I watch the movie if I know it's impartial and imbalanced?
2. Wait, I don't have a second reason, and the first is enough of a reason by itself. Well, I suppose I do have a second reason: I'd rather not support someone when they're intentionally spreading untruths.
3. Oh yeah, I knew there was another reason I don't like Michael Moore: he didn't have enough respect for Bradbury to ask him if he could name the movie after Bradbury's story.
P.S. The election is a long way off, but right now it looks like I'm not going to vote for Bush, so no comments saying I'm biased, okay?
Weeee Totally Misspelled "Fahrenheit" Kekek ^__________^
#511 posted by R.P.G. on 2004/06/28 09:53:25
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RPG
#512 posted by JPL on 2004/06/28 10:15:56
I apologize for the typo error... anyway
Even if you think M.Moore is a propagandist, even if you don't like his "poor cinematographic talent", I think his film is really worth seen... just to understand what is M.Moore's feeling about US administration politics... I agree he overdoes a lot all the related topics, but it's for him the only way to make understand some people what is really Bush administration...
Furthermore, I'm not able to vote for Bush or Kerry... I don't live in USA.. I'm french...
Oh, just one thing... you are biased.... he he he...
;D
*shrug*
#513 posted by R.P.G. on 2004/06/28 10:35:46
I'm glad you liked the movie. I'm still not going to watch it. :)
RPG
#514 posted by JPL on 2004/06/28 10:39:08
No problem... It was just my opinion... Everybody is free to watch or not any movies he wants...
... and you are still biased ... :D !!!
Mike Moore
#515 posted by nitin on 2004/06/28 11:24:43
all I've seen of his is Bowling for Columbine and based on that, I agree with RPG's assessment of him as a filmaker and interviewer.
Having said that, I still found BFC to be quite good simply because the topic, the people he interviewed and some of their viewpoints were just flat out interesting.
On A Side Note
#516 posted by nitin on 2004/06/28 11:28:19
Finally caught Big Fish and thought it stank. It's like a collection of snippets from all of burton's other filmas mismashed with an overdose of sentimentality.
Also saw Shrek2 and was disappointed, no where near the same level as the first (which was pretty good), some good laughs though.
. . . Moore & Reality -- Tofu For You, Cow For Me!
#517 posted by HeadThump on 2004/06/28 13:28:29
I have also seen the other Moore movies Roger & Me, and Bowling for Columbine. Too much of his work is dependent on distortion of fact (in Roger & Me, he literally turned the time line of events backwards to achieve his narative logic). In Farenheit 9/11 he spends the first thirty minutes or so making the argument that the Bush family is in cohoots with the Saudi's and that the reason we went to war is due to these vaguely defined powers-that-be and their commercial interest. However to achieve this logic Moore ignores the fact that the Saudis opposed the war!
Moore's agenda would be worse for this Nation than what the Democrats or the current Republicans have to offer. I have read his blogs and know his opinions pretty well. He is a creature of the hard Left. Whatever peace he advocates on the foreign policy scene would be more than made up for by the coercion he advocates in matters of domestic policy.
My biasis certainly are not pro Bush. I voted for him in 2000, but like RPG I am not at all happy with the results.
Eh
#518 posted by . on 2004/06/28 13:42:16
One would think Moore would be the guy to open people's eyes with all sorts of truths, but now that people evidently hate him, and no one likes Bush, I wonder who the fuck to trust? No one, I guess.
And
#519 posted by . on 2004/06/28 13:42:36
How do we know Moore is lying?
As Well,
#520 posted by JPL on 2004/06/28 14:55:38
How do we know Moore is true ?? There certainly in Moore, like in Bush a part of truth, and a part of lie.. more or less.. Just a question, after 9/11, the target was Bin Laden, in Afghanistan..I'm sure Afhganistan war was justified, but Iraq was was not for sure.. oil was the only target, like if Bush was frustrated not to catch Bin Laden... Do you really think Irak was friendly with AlQaida ?? Anyway, oil is there for sure ... do you really think Saddam have massive destruction weapons ?? And so where are these weapons ?? Anyway, oil is here for sure ... The target has just moved..
And I agree Moore exagerate deliberatly in his film and he is clearly not impartial...
And like Phait said, Moore would be the guy to open people's eyes with all sorts of truths ... and sure truth will be very hard to find.. even if we are hardly looking for it...
I Dont Want To Get Into A Debate
#521 posted by HeadThump on 2004/06/28 16:00:28
that gets off the subject of the movie. But ask your self this, the claim that it is 'about oil', what does it answer? Does Exon need war to get rich off of oil? No. Do the Saudis need war to get rich off of oil? Or even as a precursor to jack the price up? No (the supply peaks are doing a good job of that). Does even the milatary-industrial-complex need the war to get rich? Not even them. Their stock shot up and their contracts were signed in the days fallowing 9/11.
The war was ideologically drive, and its perpertrators and their interests are easy to identify by their own writings.
Bah.
#522 posted by biff_debris on 2004/06/28 16:35:31
No film ever made is "true" -- it's been edited and even before the edit phase shots were taken while others weren't. For it to be "true" it would have to conisder all angles and dimensions of every given argument, and -- short of turning it into a Charles Ives-esque assault with multiple screens and soundtracks -- this simply isn't possible.
Additionally, if anyone's viewpoints are so weak that any documentary -- no matter how badly made, edited or planned -- could radically change them, the said viewpoints were either unfounded or the person is a complete schizophrenic.
BTW, I want to see Fahrenheit 9/11.
Biff
#523 posted by HeadThump on 2004/06/28 17:02:51
'-- short of turning it into a Charles Ives-esque assault with multiple screens and soundtracks -- this simply isn't possible. '
That is a pretty fucking awesome idea. Imagine a documentary on the drug war using cinematography like that, interlaced with psychedlic effects and music.
Thump
#524 posted by biff_debris on 2004/06/28 18:02:43
I'm sure it's been done, but yeah -- it is a neat idea =D
How Do We Know Moore Is Lying?
#525 posted by pushplay on 2004/06/28 19:55:40
His lips are moving.
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