i am not saying anything. 

It took you seven words to not say it. 

correct.... you have proved you are clever.

Now go away, or you wont keep getting such good map reviews from me! 

fucking sonofabitch goddammit i hate mapping i can't do SHIT my 30138193114891741th attempt at a single player map and i start out and it sucks major ass why do i even TRY 

i envy all of you 

know where i can get any converted Q2 for Q1 maps, DM or single player? (pref) 

know where i can get any converted Q2 for Q1 maps, DM or single player? (pref) 

...you try because you want to, but it's bloody hard work.

As a Quake noob about 3 years ago I tried to start mapping and I failed miserably :(

I started doing the double-helix staircase from Chambord Chateau as my map centrepiece, which eventually worked after about four attempts from scratch and about 30 hours work including learning the editor, but that was all I ever achieved; I just found the rest, trying to learn *everything* including brushes, placement, lighting, construction, clipping, occlusion just TOO time-consuming and TOO frustrating.

I had more success modifying some of my favourite DM maps for CTFBot, but that was just entity work, which was fun.

So, I just hang around here, now, admiring the works of others and enjoying the ambience... 

heh...
hehe...

hehehehehehe...

no, really, why are you here? 

No descriptions yet but I'm sure you can guess how they'll go:

Grunt (lowlius gruntus)

Rottweiler (canus bitesus)

Enforcer (laserus fireus)

Knight (likus gruntus withus swordus)

DeathKnight (knitus deathus)

Rottfish (annoyingus lowframeus)

Ogre (bombus uglius)

Shrag (uglius aerus)

Shalrath (uglius rectalis-in-facus)

Tarbaby (hydrus bouncus)

Shambler (bigus badus assus maximus)

Chthon (lavus invincibus) 

i know the editor real well, its just.. well i think i'm decent, but not up to what i think i can put out.. i just have to conceptualize further my ideas 

sorry my non-sense of humour upset you. i still think your idea is cool.. 

you assume to much, my young jedi. (or something). 

yeah yeah starting over higher standards blah blah..

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/s/ph8dm1a.jpg

cant derive much yet, but i think you can see it's kinda curvy there'll be like 3 levels to the map, i actually drew this muthafucka out on paper so its coming along nicely - just don't let me rush it! 

you better do not post such screens here. if you really wanna map, just sit tight and learn how-to, and after you get something really interesting, tell us about it. stop annoying with useless and tiny screenshots :)

or at least use screenshots thread....
rememeber, noone interested in your boxy pre-alpha screenshots. ppl needs at least playable betas or something... 

What can I say, I'm new :P It's coming along quite nicely however, I think it should turn out to be a good map. 

good if so, but try holding your development screens for yourself :) we need final (or beta) product :) 

when you spend HOURS on a map only to be totally disatisfied with it? I was really confident about it's start.. I had it sketched out and was following to plan. Then I realized the map lacked something, I don't know what. I was trying to add a 2nd level to the map but didn't know exactly in what I was going to, and now all that work is gone. What damn justification is there to wasted time like this? 

if you don't think it's worth the risk of failure, maybe this isn't the hobby for you. 

don't worry about it, you're not saving the world, it's a quake map. relax, and keep mapping, scrap it if you don't like it - but keep mapping. 

yes, what slime and wrath said. it's just a hobby, no need to make inquisition out of it. find other, more satisfying hobby for yourself, if mapping is a torture for you. with troubles you have, there never will be a good map in the end, remember that. 

What damn justification is there to wasted time like this?

Improvement. Getting more familiar with the tools. Learning what works and what doesn't.

The start room in RPGSP1 went through at least 3 completely different designs before I found one that was moderately acceptable. And this does not include the dozen less significant revisions I made to each design trying to get it to work.

Also, I'm working on a map now which has 2 rooms that are not good enough. I've reworked each room at least 3 times each, and they're still not right.

Mapping is not something you can do overnight. It took me 9 months to complete RPGSP1, and the final room was still rushed (and it shows). Take your time. When something doesn't work out, change it, or delete that part and start it again. It will come to you. 

Okay, I'm vaguely considering purchasing a digital camera. I wouldn't use it very often, so I'm not interested in having a geekishly large amount of features, but I'd also like something of good quality and at a good price.

Any suggestions? 

does anyone know an alternative download site i could use for map downloads at my site, apart from fileplanet?

It must be free, obviously. 

<RPG> Hey nice! Google search for "s4wk" brings up my old web page on Tripod!
<RPG> http://images.google.com/images?q=s4wk<RPG> haha
<RPG> Searching for "r4wk" brings up a picture of Vanessa Upton and a pic of me! :D
<RPG> 0wn!
<Friction> CONSPIRACY
<RPG> http://images.google.com/images?q=r4wk
<RPG> 0wn 0wn 0wn!
<Friction> bizarre

Now is that indescribably cool or what? :D