in the last shot I can see a vertex meeting the middle of an edge in the top-down view; surely that's not a good idea, as it might not line up ingame? 

Could you circle the area you see this in? Worldcraft reports no problems, and neither does quake. I've made a flatter, bigger mound recently. 

When using the triangle method is to never have more than three triangles sharing the same point...otherwise it can look too artificial.

There's a good tutoral map at gamedesign.net for doing the triangle method. 

"triangle method" is called 'trisouping'. 

I am the definitive Quake resource on this board because they pay me to glue models together at Raven. But when the Bobs stop by Madison, I'll have the same fate as Michael Bolton. 

"triangle method" is also called 'trisouping'

Is that better? 

Are you confusing me with Starbuck again? (Hint: same colour name != same person) 

D'oh 

Good rule of thumb? Try "geometrically impossible".

Six, maybe (four is the minimum). I'd be more inclined to fuck rules of thumb off entirely in this case. 

Are you confusing me with Starbuck again? (Hint: same colour name != same person)


No, but if you have the same 1st letter and the same number of letters in your name, then you're the same person ;) 

Well I was only implying the confusion was caused by nick color and not.....
oh shit 

Try "geometrically impossible".

You just aren't trying hard enough 

I got a *** WARNING 22: Healing degenerate edge at (43 -168 224) in all 3 hulls in a map I'm working on. Your tooltips say to not really worry about it, but I'm wondering why I'm getting this error now when I haven't gotten it before. I have indeed changed a couple things, but none of them were in the region that gave the warning. 

having such warnings pop up or disappear while changing seemingly unrelated stuff. It can be the editor shuffling things around in the map file or qbsp balancing on the edge due to the float calculations.

Most likely you don't have to worry about it, otherwise check out the position in hull 0 and see if you can find any off-grid vertex. Hulls 1/2 will probably follow a fix for hull 0.

You could also try Tyrann's new qbsp; it has a lot of changed logic that might help. 

No, but if you have the same 1st letter and the same number of letters in your name, then you're the same person ;)

Starbuck is Shambler! 

I just wasted a good hour of my night trying to prove a point, but it was all worth it.

You'll notice that no more than 3 of the "terrain" triangles share any point. You'll also notice that you have the ability to move through some of the brushes, despite the fact that there are no func_illusionary brushes :(

It will eventually compile without those brushes that you can move through if you play with the size and style of the troubled brushes a bit. The .map file is included as well as a .bsp, so have at it.

http://blitz.circa1984.com/terrain.zip

P.S. I suspect that this map file would work flawlessly (i.e. without the move-through-able brushes, in Q2 or Q3) 

You'll notice that no more than 3 of the "terrain" triangles share any point

You'll notice the pertinent inclusion of quotation marks around the word 'terrain' :P

No more than 3 triangles share a vertex because this isn't terrain, it's a path. 

. 

Hey - this solves many of my problems! 

OK, I retract "geometrically impossible", since I admit that you've got some "terrain" here, and that of it's vertexes, none has more than 3 attached triangles. But that's only becuase...

a) I'm a very sweet, lonely guy;
b) "Terrain" is a term flexible enough to encompass not only general solutions to the problem of tiling an area with triangles, but also freaky special cases like this;
c) You're cheating.

PS Nice maplet...especially the trigger_changelevel. :p 

This map compiles perfectly first time with the latest tyr-qbsp. No modifications required. 

Starbuck is Shambler!

Go map. 

Was the point simply to show '3 sharing a point' or were you looking at something else to do with terrain?

I have more than a passing interest in building terrain so am keen to learn anything even if it's not everything. 

You mean it compiles without the messed up brushes? 

Yup.