I messed up and didn't record demos so you will have to make do with teh tube of you's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apwIV67cafA

Retrojam3_fifth : It had an over reliance on teleported enemies which made combat difficult to anticipate and plan for. It can be ok in small doses but in this map it felt like every fight was a teleport fest.

Some nice designs in areas, reminded me a lot of your jam4 map (less red :D). Final combat was pretty cool. Found all secrets because I am a boss!

retrojam3_skacky : holy look up/down batman. Crazy verticality which was amazing to see. Fun combat for the most part and a lovely quad run mid way through. I think I found 3 or 4 out of 7 secrets. I ended up trying to shoot all the yellow light fittings after finding the secret in one of them :)

I loved the final arena. It was really fun using the other enemies in the area as shields against the vore balls. Top stuff from the French man! 

thanks for the vid. I watched SlapMap's vid too (he posted on twitter I think).

I definitely felt the time constraints on this one, I wanted some big gameplay ideas going in and I didn't want the map to feel too half arsed in that respect. I set up a bunch of set piece fights knowing I was going to end up teleporting a lot of monsters. It doesn't help that the map is open-plan so if I had monsters on patrol or in set places I know that I may have ended up with either too few enemies or a room which will aggro all at once.

The map feels way too linear, the open go-anywhere-gameplay in my jam 4 map was definitely a strong point. Also I didn't have time to do proper secrets either.

All in all I am happy with what I did in the time I did it but I will admit that it could have been a much better map if I had play-tested or made some different decisions. 

!!' 

> made in a few days
insane, it took an hour for me to make few boxes, connect them and put monsters there :/

Fifth's looks and feels right but is too narrow in a sense of path planning to my taste, and monsters spawning in front of player don't make things better.

Skacky's map is a meaty impressive masterpiece, with nice balance between the old boxy maps and new detailed as shit ones.

Demos: https://nekaka.com/d/0UlrUXPsA7
(Sorry Fifth, only second run, I forgot to make a demo after install rush.) 

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/retrosham3demos.zip 

Amazing what you guys did in a weekend + a day or two.

Bad, reckless skill 3 demos, but I had fun with them, will probably return for another more thorough playthrough on skill 1 or 2.
http://quaketastic.com/files/demos/retrojam3_ericw_demos.zip

Fifth, I like the touch in yours of the mega that spawns the shambler! 

Guys, can you please STOP INCLUDING THAT FUCKING QUAKE.RC in jam packs??? Also, why are the texts hidden inside the pak?!

skacky is a massive dick for being able to make such a big, intricate and detailed map in just three days. It looks great and was quite fun, though would have needed some better signposting around the windtunnel bit - suddenly the (admittedly high-quality) sameyness makes it confusing to know how to progress if one misses the cue. Good secrets. Too sock'ish with the altars...

Fifth's map has a nice style, but I didn't find the gameplay to be much fun for the most part. An over-reliance on teleports and arena setups, and most importantly a severe lack of ammo. The quad fight was great, though.

Demos 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qho5c2uxw5wkpiz/5th_skacky.zip?dl=0

Have fun dude. Loved the map, really epic. 

I replayed the maps, and guys, please, add a fucking start map.

And both maps should be linked : once you finish a map, it should load the second one. Having to load a map from the console just sucks.

You mappers are neglecting the start maps. They are adding a lot to the Quake experience and atmosphere, especially if they do have some puzzles to solve, secrets and mysteries, traps, etc.

Start maps are like preliminaries in sex ! You guys are going directly to the Quake penetration, without preparation. WTF !

Skacky's map is really amazing. That's the style of Quake maps that I love ! So out of this world. 

Eh, it's a weekend "jam". Cut them some slack. :-) 

Not for the quake.rc though, not for the quake.rc. 

"Eh, it's a weekend "jam". Cut them some slack. :-) "

Seriously. Be grateful you get anything. :) 

Yeah, because start maps really make the other maps worthwhile. The gameplay, the flow, the harmony, the visceral excitement of choosing a skill setting. Truly the epitome of thrilling Quake action. I really don't know how we've survived all those decades of dismal Quake custom maps that would have been brilliant if only they'd had a fucking start map tagged on the front of them.

Barnak you are a moron. Please be quiet before you embarass yourself even more. 

Or, you know, take over making the start maps for these map jams. Sounds like a job you're passionate about. :) 

 

Oh, I LIKE that idea ... that would be fun.

Has to link to the original id episodes and function as a proper start map, including the entrance to shub's lair. 

We are very glad to receive such overwhelmingly positive response from our community and thrilled to announce the upcoming [u][b]Q1 RetroJam 3 DLC![/u][/b]
The epic conclusion is imminent.
The DLC will include highly demanded popular features and addidions:

[b]
- start map
- text files outside of .pak
- and the most thrilling addition: absence of quake.rc!
- and much much more!*
[/b]

Q1RetroJam3 DLC will be available to all non-premium members starting first week of May 2015.
We�ve worked hard to ensure you�ll have a blast in the new Q1RetroJam3 DLC. Pre-oreder now to unlock an extra tarbaby!

Follow us on twitter, steam, myspace and quaddicted. Retweet hashtag #Q1RetroJam3 and #Q1Retrojam3DLC for a chance to take a sneak peak at an exclusive screenshot of the new start map!

_________
* this feature is subject to change 

"Pre-oreder now to unlock an extra tarbaby!"

Can the tarbaby be gifted to another user? Thinking of DaZ here... 

beer to that gentleman 

Start maps do fill an important role in a map/map pack release though. They are a fantastic jumping off point, they set you on a path. There is something exciting about starting a level pack and being introduced to a skill select, it's the start of an adventure.

There is also an immersion angle. Sure it might be easier to bring down the console and set skill x but it feels so much nicer to do it all in game.

So I agree with Barnak in principle.

However, in the context of this retrojam it is quite silly to ask about such a thing. Both authors broke their nuts getting these large maps finished in 4 days and to enquire why there isn't a start map AS WELL is pretty crazy! 

Skacky hits again! Another burnermap, totally matching the theme, verticality is neatly implemented.
Having had no time to map myself this time, i already envied every screenshot you posted, you crazy mapping machine! I suck at quake and died even on easy too often, therefore no demos from me this time, sorry.

Fifth i already told you, neat map from you as well. I liked the monsterjumps, but they where too many. Also low on supplies early on. All in all still impressive style and execution.
Died even more in your map.

Barnak, check your privileges. 

Start maps are part of the packaging and thus I'd be fine with them being made external of the jam's time constraints. But I'm also fine with using the console. 

and I will endeavour to include way more monster spawning and a shit load more monster jumps next time.

And also remove all health and ammo from the map. 

...that would make a great start map. 

A start map with hordes of monsters that you need to kill to get to the skill selecting teleport is a pretty original approach to the start map. Might work=)