The Shareware Version Of WC Has No Brush Limit.
#3245 posted by czg on 2005/01/28 09:31:39
I've been using WC1.6 for all of my maps. No problem.
I you're planning to switch anyway, yes it should be painless. Export your RMFs to MAP for safety first though.
Mikko
And as for GTKRadiant - Yeah well I like the editor and I'm familiar with it but I understood that it requires some tweaking before you can make it Quake compatible.
Excuse me? GTKRadiant requires no tweaking at all to make it work with Quake. Just download, install and map away...
#3247 posted by . on 2005/01/28 09:59:55
The Shareware Version Of WC Has No Brush Limit.
Always did for me, huh...
Gom,
#3248 posted by necros on 2005/01/28 10:00:35
Mikko was probably referring to pre 1.5 versions that didn't support quake natively.
but what Gom says is true. the newest version of GTKR supports Q1 natively and i supposed to be quite painless an installation.
Yeah
#3249 posted by Mikko on 2005/01/28 13:09:39
Well then it seems that I have been reading old posts/news since I have been under the impression that GTKRadiant doesn't natively support Q and that you have to tweak it to make it support it (or convert the level into a Q map).
However I'll stick with WC for now at least with this level I'm working on right now. I have never built a level before with WC but I have with GTKRadiant so getting some experience is not a bad idea.
But anyways if the shareware WC really has a brush limit then I need the full one - so please someone tell me where to get it. And still - will the custom textures 'vanish' if I switch from shareware to registered?
Yeah
#3250 posted by Mikko on 2005/01/28 13:20:08
Well it seems that I've been reading old news/posts since I have been under the impression that GTKRadiant doesn't natively support Q and that you have to tweak it to make it support it.
However I'll stick with WC for now - at least with the map I'm doing now. I have previous experience with GTKRadiant but not anything serious with WC so I need the experience.
But anyways if the shareware version really has a brush limit then I really need the registered version in case someone knows where it is or can send it to me at mikko.sandt@satabaana.net.
Also I still would like to know that will the custom textures vanish if I switch from shareware to registered? My level is so far covered with IKBase textures - would I lose them during the switch?
And Again
#3251 posted by Mikko on 2005/01/28 14:31:06
Well it seems that I've been reading old news/posts since I have been under the impression that GTKRadiant doesn't natively support Q and that you have to tweak it to make it support it.
However I'll stick with WC for now - at least with the map I'm doing now. I have previous experience with GTKRadiant but not anything serious with WC so I need the experience.
But anyways if the shareware version really has a brush limit then I really need the registered version in case someone knows where it is or can send it to me at mikko.sandt@satabaana.net.
Also I still would like to know that will the custom textures vanish if I switch from shareware to registered? My level is so far covered with IKBase textures - would I lose them during the switch?
Mikko
#3252 posted by VoreLord on 2005/01/28 14:39:39
WorldCraftFULL has been sent if you want it.
I Don't See Why You'd Loose Them.
#3253 posted by necros on 2005/01/28 15:53:11
they're just textures, after all, and not really connected to the program at all, wc just reads the textures.
you should be fine.
Kell
#3254 posted by Mike Woodham on 2005/01/29 01:22:40
What happened to your tutorials on converting Terragen worlds into skyboxes: your old site links are dead and I can't see it on your new site?
Troublesome Maps - I Want Some!
#3255 posted by Tyrann on 2005/01/29 05:02:01
Does anyone here have any troublesome maps? I'm particularly intersted in ones with clipping problems (terrain maps would be interesting) or ones where you have a leak, but the pointfile seems to pass straight through a solid brush. I've made some progress with qbsp, but I need some more real-world test maps.
If you're willing, please email zipped .map and .wad to:
tyrann - at - disenchant - dot - net
For the time being, I'll sniff around and see what's available for download from people's sites...
Tyrann
#3256 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/01/29 07:52:24
If I remember, there's a leak in hull 1 or 2 in RPGSP1. I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing your new QBSP might fix.
AFAIK, all my other Q1 maps are pretty free of errors.
RPGSP1 source: http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/files/maps/rpgsp1source.zip
Thanks RPG
#3257 posted by Tyrann on 2005/01/29 09:11:51
Yup, no more leak. 8)
It's looking promising. Does anybody have a link to CZG's scraps listed here (the links all give 404s):
http://www.planetquake.com/greyvoid/maps.html
Tyrann:
#3258 posted by necros on 2005/01/29 09:39:07
Detail Brushes
#3259 posted by dakza on 2005/01/29 13:49:00
In Gtk 1.4, there's an option to apply "make detail" to a brush. aperently this helps to lower r_speeds. Can i apply this to a Q1 map?
No
#3260 posted by VoreLord on 2005/01/29 14:45:55
make detail is not used in Quake, but you can do other things like make it a func_wall etc, but I think you must be a bit carefull not to go overboard with the amount of them you use. Plus you should be careful, because func_wall does not block vis. (I think) But someone else who can explain it better than I will come along. But in short, No to Detail Brushes in Quake
Got It
#3261 posted by Tyrann on 2005/01/29 14:50:00
Thanks Necros. I'll run some test on these today. aguirRe has also done some testing now and there's a few things I'll need to follow up from there.
Error
#3262 posted by Mikko on 2005/01/31 08:58:38
Well I got the full version from VoreLord (big thanks) and the switch was simple & painless.
One thing: I have to set up the directories & settings every time I open the program. It just won't save the changes or something. I didn't have this problem with the shareware version.
Second: What does "WARNING: brush with duplicate plane" mean?
MIkko,
#3263 posted by necros on 2005/01/31 10:01:39
maybe the config file for wc is set as readonly?
Mikko
#3264 posted by JPL on 2005/02/01 05:01:04
Take a look at aguirRe's Q1 Tool Tips at
http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/tooltips.txt
The short answer in this document is:
"Brush with duplicate plane on line x"
Non-critical since the reported brush faces are skipped. Usually caused by an editor error.
But there are many other cool informations and advices about tools problems, and how to avid them...
Hrm
If you're using worldcraft, usually loading the .map will get rid of the offending brushes causing the duplicate plane errors. But then if you save to .rmf (to overwrite the borked one) you lose your visgroup/camera info, though.
#3266 posted by Zwiffle on 2005/02/01 19:27:24
My door is off-grid in my map. In GTK it's lined up perfectly, with Lip of "0", but when I compile it moves and stops like it has a Lip of "0.5" I've tried setting it to have Lips of 1, 2 and 4, but they're always off.
I'm not sure why this happens, it was working fine in earlier versions and only started recently. It's for the Lost Chapters mod, but I've had this problem before when I worked in Hammer, but I'm not sure how I fixed it there either.
Any solutions, or should I remake the door?
Zwiffle,
#3267 posted by necros on 2005/02/01 19:33:28
when lip is '0', the code actually defaults to lip '8'.
the only real solution (barring code changes) is to make the door 1 unit taller than it should be then set the lip to 1.
:(
#3268 posted by Mikko on 2005/02/02 12:47:16
Well I don't but this seems pretty critical. This is what I get when I try to compile: "The file d:\games\quake\id1\maps\jatkuu.bsp was not built. Do you want to continue?"
If I click 'yes' it just prints the following in the compile window:
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** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "D:\WORLDC~2\RMF\JATKUU.map" "D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU.map"
** Executing...
** Command: D:\worldcraftFULL\Q1Tools\QBSP.EXE
** Parameters: D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU
outputfile: D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU.bsp
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************ ERROR ************
Line 4478 is incomplete
** Executing...
** Command: D:\worldcraftFULL\Q1Tools\LIGHT.EXE
** Parameters: -extra D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU
----- LightFaces ----
extra sampling enabled
************ ERROR ************
Error opening D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU.bsp: No such file or directory
** Executing...
** Command: D:\worldcraftFULL\Q1Tools\Vis.exe
** Parameters: D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU
---- vis ----
************ ERROR ************
Error opening D:\games\QUAKE\ID1\maps\JATKUU.bsp: No such file or directory
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So no BSP is created - I can't play it. Even the old bsp with the same name disappeared along with this problem. Any suggestions?
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#3269 posted by HeadThump on 2005/02/02 14:00:12
that is what I would recommend doing.
Open up the map in a text editor. I would bet you a donut that 4478 is the last line in the text and it is lacking a '}' to encapsulate the worldspawn entity.
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