Nice Work.
#2783 posted by Text_Fish on 2005/12/07 16:57:10
I love the colours. They're very menacing, like an impending storm. And the little dashes of red compliment that nicely.
The windows are nice and menacing like that too. Never know what could pop out of them, or what lies beyond.
As for lighting, I think lightning would be good. Especially if it were angled so as to occasionally light up the inside of the windows.
Ah Yeah
#2784 posted by necros on 2005/12/07 20:41:32
lightning would totally roxor. remember middle evil? >:D
Lighting
#2785 posted by Ankh on 2005/12/08 00:40:56
Hm. I didn't think about it, but this is a good idea. Is there a guide somwhere about how to do it?
Many of the windows don't have the inside, because it's only textures. But some have ;)
Comments
#2786 posted by Blitz on 2005/12/08 03:00:55
Ankh : looks very good! I love the style you're working with...keep it up! I want to play this map.
Kazi : I ran through your map the other night (when I said I was going to on #tf, heh) and I was really quite impressed. The layout is very unique and seems like it would facilitate excellent gameplay. I loved the outdoor section that you modeled and I wish there were more areas like that! Very nice cubemapped type shaders throughout, and not a misalignment to be seen. A very professional job throughout. Nice work.
Which One Looks Better?
#2787 posted by Jago on 2005/12/08 11:46:36
Or Even This
#2788 posted by Jago on 2005/12/08 12:02:49
Jago
#2789 posted by JPL on 2005/12/08 12:06:11
Rampstairs for sure !
Rampstairs
#2790 posted by . on 2005/12/08 12:26:17
Although the stairs seem a bit narrow.
Not The Ramps!
#2791 posted by mwh on 2005/12/08 13:51:24
Unless you redo the textures properly, and probably not even then.
Jago
#2792 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/12/08 15:19:42
Whichever one has more spotlights is the best.
Rampstairs has potention, but the ramps are too wide and the stairs are too narrow. Otherwise I go for the stairs.
Rampstairs.
#2793 posted by Text_Fish on 2005/12/08 15:34:45
100% Fact.
Jago
#2794 posted by Kell on 2005/12/08 15:42:56
Stairs > ramps most of the time, because ramps are harder to maneuver on. Even harder when there's a 90� turn.
Steps with the added ramp-trim is best, because it finishes the feature off with convincing structure and doesn't leave a texture alignment problem on the vertical side faces.
128 units width for the whole feature is fine, but make the trims 16 either side and the steps 96 in between. Use the alternate colored grip metal tiles for the steps if you like, but use a different texture for the trims. Even a seamless texture there would be preferable to the floor tiles. Is there a version of that grill trim in the wad that doesn't have the black slots? Just the bluish green metal trim would be ideal.
Continue the trim around the flat landing, leaving a square of 3x3 floor tiles neatly aligned in the middle.
Personally though, the lower room is so small that the stairs protruding into it looks cramped and a bit ugly. It seems you had to add the 90� turn in the steps simply because you ran out of room :P
In the interests of both aesthetics and gameplay, I'd knock out the steps/ramps altogether and use a func_plat, recessed partly into the wall/ledge. Maybe put a button on the wall opposite that brings it down, with a monster onboard harassing the player the whole time.
If you don't want to leave the center of the lower room empty, consider a less obstructive feature, maybe 64x64 units and as tall as you like. A crate or pipe are default candidates, but you could get creative with some sort of console feature.
That would be my implementation, and my 2/-
Kell
#2795 posted by Jago on 2005/12/08 16:46:47
This is a DM map :) I ended up going with "rampstairs" that have similar structure but slightly different looks than those seen in the screenshots.
Ramp Trim...
#2796 posted by metlslime on 2005/12/08 16:58:56
Hmm
#2797 posted by bambuz on 2005/12/08 17:11:56
people.
Ramps are useful in dm: you can both jump up them or get speed if you jump down them.
Of course it's much harder to make them look
good, and they usually must be less steep than stairs. :/
Ramps.
#2798 posted by Shambler on 2005/12/09 00:27:56
The reason I suggested the ramps was, as bamb says, and as you wanted originally with the curvey ramp, was to have a smooth surface for bunny hopping...
Ramps!
#2799 posted by therealthan on 2005/12/09 01:20:16
just make them look better. It can't be that hard to add a few details or so on the edges to make it look better. I have an idea that I think would work, but I can't be bothered to knock up a screen for you (sorry.)
The idea is simply to put raised trims on the side, but instead of having them sticking out, make a short 45 degree slope into them. This way players can jump of the sides too. JUMPING FUN AHOY. Make them 16 units wide+16 units for the slope into them, or 8 if you make them 8 units high instead of 16, which might look better. Now make the base of the stairs 16 units thinner, so the raised trim sticks out above the ground, and not only do you have slightly more space below, but you have a feature that will have all the neighbours talking.
If you understood that, have the cheese that I attached to this message. It is well deserved.
There Is No Chees
#2800 posted by nitin on 2005/12/09 02:26:07
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#2801 posted by . on 2005/12/09 02:53:01
a smooth surface for bunny hopping...
FFS.
More like "a smooth surface to hop around like a lunatic making and thrusting your cock down the opponent's throat because they can never keep a bead on you because you're bouncing off all the god damn walls in 5 nanoseconds".
Yes I'm still DM bitter.
Phait
#2802 posted by Jago on 2005/12/09 03:12:12
I can tell ;)
"Enraged" is being designed with seasoned QW team deathmatch players in mind. Essentially this means that I am trying to design the map in such a way that it has trickjumping potential, the player can move around at high speed and balancing items to ensure interesting team deathmatch gameplay.
Quite obviously this also means that when playing on this map, a seasoned player would have a huge advantage over a casual player, which isn't any different from any other good map really. A casual player attempting to win an Aerowalk match against Reppie or Insane or a DM2 match against Locktar or Goljat needs his sanity checked.
#2803 posted by gone on 2005/12/09 04:52:58
jump pads or lifts
"Enraged" Q1DM BETA
#2804 posted by Jago on 2005/12/09 12:18:54
This is a 3rd public beta of the Q1DM map I am working on: http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/enrapb03.zip The map is built for 4on4 TDM, 2on2 TDM and FFA gameplay. Report any and all problems you possibly encounter with the map, no matter how minor. I want to have this build throughly tested.
Worth Considering..
#2805 posted by Snaga on 2005/12/09 15:35:17
Is a trick in a trick-custom-built map still a trick?
FFA.
#2806 posted by Shambler on 2005/12/10 01:14:23
One thinks it might be lacking in weapons, ammo, and health for FFA?
Huh
#2807 posted by bambuz on 2005/12/10 06:38:20
Good to notice Jago and Shamb, but actually I think, not many people play ffa. Some occasionally when bored or to warm up. One can't compromise a 4on4 map for that.
And only dm2 of the 4on4 maps can be used nicely for 2on2.
I think there are two ffa servers in Europe, one runs random episode maps (xs4all) and the other just death32c (id dm maps connected together with a little extra architechture).
And to Snaga: maps can be trick-friendly or they can be non-trick-friendly. Often friendly if there are some open spaces to gather speed and some ramps. People will invent something. You can make boxroom with stairs between every room and be sure that there aren't many tricks possible.
And the last word on tricks, there actually are special "freestyle" maps for freestyle tricks where you can show off your movement skills. (these are different than trick maps where you perform one very specific trick after another like jump on some plats over void to reach the next trick). Of course many mappers here don't know how make something so purely for qw movement, and they actually are made primarily by non-mapping-guru players and are thus ugly.
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