Let me get this straight. Before I request a feature in an engine I'm interested in I need to:

- Be a programmer myself;
- Try the feature in an engine I'm not interested in;
- Understand that the feature is hopeless crap using my programmer knowledge;
- Never ask for it, because it's crap.

Did I miss anything? 

Posting in this thread is like playing Dark Souls; at first you'll find it cruel and unforgiving, but after many days, weeks and months of practice you'll intricately understand the attack patterns of the various mobs that lurk here, and be able to parry and counter their posts effectively. 

before you request a feature you need to:

- Prepare yourself for the possibility that the developers don't want to implement it.
- Not get salty when you don't get the answer you want. 

By not getting the answer I want you mean stumbling on an edgelord that I'm not even sure is one of the developers? 

 

Baker is weird. But he knows what he's talking about when it comes to Quake engines. 

Is certainly more articulate than Madfox, and provides far more polished content (ProQuake, Fitz V, etc) but god damn if their thought processes aren't equal. 

I kinda get that he knows things. That's why I said that I trust his opinion. 

I mean rather than arguing with them after they say no.

Perhaps instead saying to yourself:

"Maybe that's fair. That probably is a lot of effort for the developers who do this without any pay"

or

"well I really want this feature, maybe I should teach myself some programming and see if I can implement it myself" 

Developers saying no is not a problem. 

No, no, your opinion is wrong. Or in your ass, at least. 

"Hey, you dropped this turd on the carpet, don't think you're getting away without having a good sniff of it." No, I ONLY ASKED A SIMPLE DAMN QUESTION! You guys jumped on my back like a pack of hungry wolves on a pile of bloody meat. I'm not responsible for your behavior and I won't take any of that shit. Learn some manners.

"Mugwump, if you want rtlighting in quake, you need one of FTE, DP, or Tenebrae." You think I don't know that? Like I said earlier, I asked specifically because of those mods among my favorites that have trouble running in DP and whose readme recommends QS or Fitz.

"The artists literally sat in front of Deluxe Paint with the Quake palette loaded and painted stuff precisely at the pixel level." So they chose to add blue to... wooden planks? I remember reading a discussion about it among visibly knowledgeable people saying that the non-standard palette id chose caused weird artifacts like that.

"Anyway, I would love to see weather effects in quakespasm/maps." THIS. Weather effects, like dynamic lights, benefit greatly to immersion.

Dwere, you didn't think that the missing body from the texture was because the body was supposed to be rendered in 3D? Tsk-tsk... 

At least my ass isn't located where my mouth should be. Opinions are subjective, therefore can be neither right nor wrong. 

 

I laughed, thanks. 

Sure, whatever floats your boat, pal... 

Bet that hi-res bump-mapped dung smells gooood, man. 

Why do you feel the need to act like a jerk? 

this is good stuff here. 

Learn some manners.

Says the guy who posted #2194 in response to #2191. lolbiscuits.

So they chose to add blue to... wooden planks?

Hehehe, just because you can find a few dodgy counter examples..hell, like another guy said, I'm sure you can find little elements that were photosourced if you dig hard enough...it doesn't change the fact that 95% of this shit was basically pixel pushed. I'm really not sure why this is such a tough thing to believe. 

 

when it comes to dealing with trolls... 

Come the fuck on, dude.

and don't even get me started on the Rogue textures... 

Unlike some of your and others' comments, #2194 wasn't intended to be mean, aggressive or insulting, it was a depiction of your attitude towards graphical enhancements. You gotta admit you DO sound like a bit of a zealot about it. I'm sorry if you felt offended, I know I can be blunt sometimes but it wasn't an attack. Can we please get past this once and for all?

I'm not saying they didn't do a hard job or didn't spend countless hours lovingly crafting their game, but putting it all on intent and disregarding technicalities is delusional. IMHO. With due respect. Do you think they would have gone with blocky pixels if they had a choice about it? 

If is a word god uses when he wants to have a laugh.