Maybe it does I don't know, but the error message reads like the compiling gui is looking for something external.

"---SKIP--- ... is not recognized as an internal or external command." 

Is something I only use to simulate collision as func_walls.

Tried to compile. Got the error 'token too large on line 7'.

Tried a different method, compiling it externally using my normal batch file method. Compiled fine.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/Jam7/jam7_nh.zip

My .bat command line:
qbsp -epsilon 0.001 jam7_nh
light -extra4 -soft 1 -addmin -gate 10 jam7_nh 

OK, here's the deal. Your three monsters which are causing the problem have a killtarget key, but with an empty value. The problem is that this isn't the same as not having a killtarget! In fact what's happening is when they die, they killtarget every entity which matches the targetname "". This is basically everything on the map, including the player entity. That's why you get stuck - you've been deleted.

This bug isn't specific to Quoth (although I can see a way to patch a mod to make it less susceptible to it). If you convert one of those monsters to a regular Quake monster and run the map in vanilla id1 the same error occurs. The easy fix is to delete the key from those entities. 

 

Bloughsburgh, you're welcome! Thank Sleepwalkr, though, I wouldn't have known there was a waterfall model if not for TrenchBroom's Quoth 2 FGD. Incidentally, his and Preach's have the Slime and Blood skin names reversed, I'll need to file an issue or make a pull request on the TB repo.

Regarding the SKIP texture, I haven't worked with Quake as much as Source, but my experience with this lineage of games and compilers has led me to feel that optimization is the proverbial bike shed of the brush engine world. It's easy to get carried away and be "penny wise, pound foolish" when it comes to stuff like skip, or mitered corners.

As I understand compile theory, for how little I admittedly do, skip/null/nodraw is mostly unnecessary. The majority of faces that need to be invisible are taken care of by the tools: anything touching the void automatically gets skip, as does any internal face (places where, after BSP chops are done, a world geometry face butts flush up against another world geometry face, or detail against detail). In a bygone era I believe the faces were actually discarded, and not stored in the output .bsp, but nowadays they keep the faces and just make them invisible.

Skip textures are only beneficial for faces the compiler thinks are potentially visible, but that you as a mapper know the player will never be able to see. There tend not to be many of these in an average map, and starting from nodraw brushes only to manually texture them later forces you to pay the price of the technique a hundred percent of the time, when it only helps you in maybe five, ten percent of them, if that. For crazy stuff like that owl model I posted earlier, or some sort of curvy, twisty pipes, there can be tiny cracks that players won't notice but compilers will, in which case the inside might be better off with skip. That's comparatively rare, though, and just slapping a texture on the whole brush, entering texture mode and hitting "align left" and "align bottom" saves a useful amount of time while producing the same results. It's not much, but it adds up over hundreds, or thousands of faces you need to texture during a project.

The tradeoff of not bothering with skip unless you know it's really called for seems worth it to me. Doing everything with textured brushes, and neglecting to null a face that players will never see means only that your file will be ever so slightly larger, and performance will be almost immeasurably lower. On the other hand, starting with skip, texturing only what you think needs textures, but forgetting about a particular sight line in your map that you didn't expect players to reach means now they can see right through a wall. I'd rather have a technically imperfect map than one that spoils the fun of exploring these bizarre dimensions by reminding me it's a game. "Immersion" as a gimmick buzzword is annoying, sure, but it's still something I'm after when I play, or make, custom maps.

There is one other genuinely useful application of skip, however, and that's in editors like Jack which have a feature (in Jack's case, a button at the far right of the toolbar) to turn off display of null textures. A few carefully placed skip faces on the outside of your map and you can see through the walls, in turn making enemy/item placement in the 3D view a little more comfortable. 

Best problem ever. 

I thought I already removed those targets when testing.. 

And I did removed those targets, but it still happens.... what know? And yes I checked whether Source Map location is same as I'm modifying.. wierd thing is that it is the same.. there is no targets anymore. - but it still happens to me, so I assume I'm cursed. Happy mapping indeed. 

I needed to remove and replace them. There was something else than just targets that made them spawn me inside floor. Thanks for everyone making me do finally something so obvious. 

Thanks, I don't know why I started using skip especially for this map, but it really seems like a bad idea now. So now on if will not use it, because it is pointless mostly. 

http://i.imgur.com/vZiT0sS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3R6tTrs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TdzIa8V.jpg 

I should change the beam texture on the left in the last pic to a higher res one now that I think about it.

Also rofl that killtarget issue. 

But the problem haven't disappeared after clearing targets. It happens anyway, hopefully it some way dies out, because I really don't have energy to fight with this one wierd bug whether it's my fault or not. 

Newhouse, I noticed maybe every entity in that map has the angle key set. Is this maybe some editor or fgd type bug? Angle is not used on things like path_corner and normal lights. The strange thing is, looks like if there is no actual number entered they're set to "-0" 

http://i.imgur.com/oJpGMI7.png

Thoughts? 

Skacky: Pure class.

Breezeep: Glad to see things starting to take shape. Maybe offest the floor height on the second floor, but all else is looking well. 

There's no benefit for performance; it's purely visual. 

decided to try and build your pipes, but tilted instead of skewed on the grid

http://i.imgur.com/E8Zvhvb.jpg

A bit of a pain in the ass requiring 1 unit grid and some funky 3 point clipping, but it's all properly tilted at a 1/4 ratio... Dealing with the texture projection is a bit wonky though.


(going back to not mapping now...) 

Rick*

I just noticed that too. Executioners had -0 angle so I changed them to 0. But yeah Lights had that added by myself, it was just the visual thing because I thought game doesn't use it, I haven't had any error from them - but to be extra sure I really should remove them.

Breezeep_*

Looks nice some kind of id bunker when looking at this outdoor area.

Skacky*

Are you using this method? http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/speedy/tut_pipe.htm 

Shut up and go map!

NewHouse: I don't use this method but that's a good one! 

that's not how to use the name field =P 

Skacky: That's crazy, looks like a full quality map!

Breezeep: Looks great, love the rocky top half walls.

I am probably 80% done with basic brushes, and just started a light texture pass. I plan to have at least one progress shot this weekend when I can really have some time to work on the map! 

would it be better to patch in a compiler? 

I'm new here, and when it comes to my personality you can always expect from me this kind of behavior.

I have been mapping and not focusing this "bug of mine" thing. Currently using AD mod, because it has all same enemies I'm going to use anyway. For this jam my map can't be more than 10-25 of the polished map. So I really need to consider what I the most important parts when it comes to gameplay. So lots of Backtracking, but I try to make it as well as possible. 

10-25 percent of the polished map*

need to consider what are the most important parts when it comes to gameplay*

sorry I really don't know why I typo this fast.