@damage_inc, they are touching; I didn't know touching func_door brushes would "link," that's probably what's causing both the "correct" and "incorrect" behavior. I think I can puzzle out what is going on.

And now for an unrelated question, which texture WADs have some cool stained-glass windows? Aside from id, rogue, and knave. 

Off the top of my head, there's a large one in Chicosruin. 

I set this off always. Most of the time it's not what you want.

Daikatana has some stained glass textures as does Wolfenstein (RTCW). 

Why Door that should be open after trigger_counter calls it, it opens when some other door opens near it? Don't link doesn't work, I tried all kinds of possible combinations and nothing. What should I do? (yes, I'm doing vanilla Quake map, no mods) 

I know you just stated so but be sure that ALL func_doors near the issue have Don't Link checked. It could be just one side of a door that is the culprit.

Secondly, make sure there isn't a targetname on one of the func_doors that could be causing an issue. Triple check both sides of the doors just to be sure. (Assuming you have 2 sides to each door.) 

how does one force mobs to infight? 

Setting aside the possibility of an elaborate high radius, low damage explosion with the owner somehow being assigned to a specific monster and initiated with negke-like trick ...

It is not possible because monsters do not look for other monsters, they look only for player.

Maybe you could change the QuakeC, but then it isn't id1 progs. 

Thanks, I'll check those WADs.

Finally... would Nihilism Unlimited care if I put the zer tree model into an AD map? I'm looking at the zer readme now and most of those emails look like they're dead as a doornail. Alternatively if anyone has an uo-to-date info for someone on the team.... 

Darin McNeil (the main Zer programmer) works at id, maybe you can ask them: http://www.idsoftware.com/en-us#section-contact 

It's a pretty shoddy model from a 1997 freeware mod, you can use it. 

Aren't there brush-modeled trees in some of the AD maps? If you're concerned about this, you could just copy these as the sources are included and permit re-use. 

in the top floor section, where you fight the necromancers. 

I just made an asset for quake trees.
Maybe there's something of your interest?

Q1Tree 

Is it a thing that a fiend will cause double damage if it leap attacks you while you are in midair?

I have a section where you are swimming upwards, and a fiend has a chance to leap at you. Every time I get hit by the leap I die instantly. I even had Yellow armor at 100HP! 

sounds like the fiend instagib bug where a fiend will kill you if it lands on your head - this has been in quake right from the start (feature lolol) 

Ah that describes what is happening. Hmm, I basically have an insta-kill "trap" at the moment. I'll have to re-work something. Thanks Kinn! 

it happened to me being gibbed by one of that leaps
you may be right, but i can't recall correctly when or how much health i had

but the player can be gibbed normally, because gib threshold for the player is -40.

acording to quakeC
damage of leap:: ldmg = 40 + 10*random();

perhaps the demon is jumping again in mid-air? 

The fiend deals damage in every every frame to each entity that it collides with, until it is resting on the ground. In a normal sideways leap the first collision stops the fiend's horizontal movement, so it doesn't collide with you on the second frame because it's not moving towards you.

Two things go wrong when the fiend attacks from above. Firstly, landing on a player doesn't count as resting on the ground for the fiend, so the attack animation continues after it hits you. Secondly, although the first collision cancelled its vertical motion, gravity accelerates it down again next frame, so you get repeated collisions. It isn't doing any more damage than normal per collision, it's just multiple collisions that stack to create near-instant death.

In Quoth there's a crude fix to this problem - leaping monsters can only inflict damage once per leap. If you're mapping for the vanilla jam then there's no workaround other than making sure the fiend can't attack from that far above. 

Thanks Preach, that about explains every facet of the fiend dilemma I could be having. I moved the fiend back a bit and his jump hasn't one-shot me in about 10 tests (Since you are now more or less horizontal with the bastard at the time.) I may leave it this way or just slap an ogre down instead. 

.. do Fiends have eyes ? 

Yes. 

No, but before you gib, you do have about 1/100th of a second to look up and possibly resolve the age-old question of "do fiends have willies?" 

To both eyes and willits. 

 

Poor guy...