Cheers for the tip. I'd pretty much given up on Netradiant, but that updated version seems very usable. 

I'm also pretty stuck trying to figure out setting up game configurations and WADs. I'm big on decompiling maps and their content so I can see how things were made. This is pretty easy on the Source engine because BSPSource is a great decompiler and custom content is often packed in the BSP, where it can be easily extracted. Also, Source games include all their content in VPKs and their Hammer already includes game configurations and FGDs, so mapping setup with base content is pretty much completely done for you. But in Quake, I can't find the default WADs and FGDs. They're not in the PAKs. And decompiling maps with WinBSPC rarely works. Even trying to study maps Thebes's are already provided in .map format doesn't work (like in Arcane Dimensions). The textures are missing in the editor and I can't find their WADs. Many of the entities just show up as purple blocks as well. Is this because they're not in the FGD or did most Quake entities not have icons? I'm just really confused, sorry for the long post. 

Uh, meant to say "that", not "Thebes". Autocorrect is nutty. 

you can find a heap of textures here: https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/

I think that AD uses a lot of knave textures, it's probably best to extract the textures from the BSP file though.

A FGD file is provided for AD in the zip I believe. 

Quake textures are embedded in the .bsp file. Get TexMex, use it to open the .bsp, then save as .wad 

Oh, so you could pack content in Quake maps? I thought you could only pack in the Source engine. So when you ship a mod, you don't have to include all the WADs? You can just pack them in the BSP? Is there a utility to extract the content for the Quake engine?

And yeah, I have that FGD. I guess the entities just don't have icons. 

JACK can extract the textures from BSPs, I believe TexMex can aswell. For the entities to display I think you just need to point your editor to the correct directory. 

looks like i was too slow

cheers Rick :) 

For stuff other than the textures, a game folder is used. Everything can be in a pak file or just a loose directory structure. There is a certain arrangement that must be followed. 

So I can just use TexMex to create an individual WAD for each AD map? There must be a better way to do that, isn't there a limit to how many WADs you can have loaded in Hammer/JACK/Radiant/whatever?

So did the original Quake team have a proprietary map editor that they never released then? I'm just wondering how they did it if they never actually shipped an editor or textures and entity definitions with the game. I see that there's almost nothing in pak0 besides a gfx WAD, models, maps, and sound files. 

id used software called BSP (I think).

I don't know what tools they used to make wad files or whatnot.

TexMex allows you to export the textures and make one more convenient .wad file. 

So I guess the quake.wad came from people extracting and combining the textures from all the maps in Quake?

Also, starting to figure this stuff out a bit. JACK seems to be the way to go, I have set up configurations for Quake, Half-Life, and Counter-Strike and it seems to be working well. 

BSP was the name of a third-party editor.

Quake's editor was called something like QuakeED. I think they did release the source but it wasn't usable for most people because it required special hardware or OS or that most people didn't have (was it nextstep or a full opengl workstation or something?)

The version of QuakeED for quake 2 was the basis for QERadiant which was third party I think, but then became the official id software editor starting with quake 3. 

Thats normal, Quake doesn't have icons for most point entities. 

You could mess with Texmex...or downloading a bajillion wads from quaddicted or other places...or just use:Qmaster's Collection

This includes all standard ID1, Hipnotic, Rogue, SOA, AD, Kell/Knave, and sundry other textures as well as a few of my own such as blue variants of the knave textures. It's not a complete package but it's more or less sufficient for 95-98% of all Quake maps ever made, roughly. 

Thanks Qmaster, I'll grab that pack. Too bad about the icons, kinda hard to tell what's what without them.

So there's not a reliable decompiler out there for Quake/GoldSrc maps? Did everyone just figure out how stuff was made by themselves? I'm always messing around in the VMF when I'm playing Source maps to see how stuff was done. Studying popular/official maps is kinda the best way to learn stuff. 

There's the original .map files

There is Winbspc here 

I'll grab those too, thanks. I have been using WinBSPC, it's not very accurate. 

Well, I think I'm all set up for now! I've got source files for the base maps to study, WADs for everything, an editor that works well for both Quake and GoldSrc, and no errors in any of the AD maps I've wanted to check out so far. Thank you all so much for your help, all this setup got done in one day thanks to y'all.

Now, about those entity icons... 

Celebrated my functioning setup with a run-through of the Minotaur and Minions (ad_test5) test map in AD on nightmare. Video for your viewing pleasure: https://youtu.be/-X7-0un85cw 

Since you're coming from Source as I did once upon a time ago I'll quickly explain how Quake handles inputs and outputs between entities:

Most every entity has 1 .use function which is predefined in the code.
Targetname is the name you put on the entity to use.
Target is the name of the entity use that you set on the outputter such as a button.

Typical button: target = door1
Typical door: targetname = door1
Push the button, the door opens. The use function is usually the same and only 1 but in Quake it can depend on context. For instance if the door above has a spawnflag set of Toggle (32), then pushing the button again will close the door.

Anyhow, go map! 

Thanks for the tips Q! I've been creeping around the AD/base maps, so I've picked up a few things about logic. It's obviously a bit more primitive than Source, so I think I will be able to pick it up OK.

Also realized I forgot to grab compile tools! Some quick research indicated ericw's tyrutil's tools are the way to go, though, so I've grabbed those.

Honestly I'm blown away by these AD maps. I've never seen an HL/HL2 mod of the scale and polish that AD has. The geometry and texturing is insane, with gameplay to match! Foggy Bogbottom is a masterpiece, even sock's little test maps are gorgeous in their own right.

The textures are just insanely well crafted and implemented. Even in modern Source maps made by Valve, they don't worry so much about perfect alignment or more specific textures like those made for arches. But in AD, everything just seems perfectly applied and there are gorgeous arches and roofs everywhere. It's pretty awesome to see.

OK sorry I'm still wigging out a bit :3 

Go map! 

 

Trying to figure out the proper FGD and game path setup for JACK. I notice that if I change the game path from id1 to AD, several entity icons appear, including ones that I thought were part of the base quake.fgd I have from the JACK files.

Here's how the 3D view looks with only the ad_quake.fgd enabled and the game path set to AD.
Here's how it looks with the quake.fgd added with the ad_quake.fgd and with the game path set to id1.

Can JACK not read paks or something? Why would the default icons show up in the AD path and not id1? Do I need to have the quake.fgd enabled WITH the ad_quake.fgd or do I just need the AD one? What FGDs are ya'll using?