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Sunk
#15296 posted by Shambler on 2017/10/26 23:14:47
Looks very interesting especially the tall stuff with nice neat textures. Keep it going man.
Le Grunt
#15297 posted by killpixel on 2017/10/28 04:06:20
fallen mercenary WIP. Had to pump out one more guy before moving on to more interesting stuff...
@qmaster - it's getting easier...
@sunk - looks cool!
@Esrael
#15298 posted by spy on 2017/10/28 07:22:12
Thank you Esrael for your demos, i'll make a corretions.
while watching the demos and comments it's makes me realize that you haven't played kinn's huge masterpieces bastion and marcher, the most significant releases of 2000'
so i strongly recomend you to play them,
bod uses the very same assets from kinn's mod
looking forward for your next demos
maybe i should post the updated link
@spy
I sent you an email with demos and a full report. Hope it helps. When this is released I know people are going to love it.
@dumptruck_ds
#15300 posted by spy on 2017/10/29 15:39:48
Thanks For The Update, Spy
#15301 posted by Esrael on 2017/10/29 21:12:05
I've done my fifth playthrough now, only this time with the updated map. I died during the second to last arena, so when I quicksaved, I didn't know it stopped recording the demo. It means that there is no demo of me finishing the rest of the map, so I'll just type here the comments that I had made during the last part of my playthough.
The demo is here:
http://quaketastic.com/files/demos/bod_esrael5.7z
There was a point where the map told the player with a direct message to watch his/her step, which is fine in the sense that it spared me from a surprise death. But, I would prefer if there were some indirect clues that made it clear for the player to watch his/her step. Just telling it by a message is the easy way out.
The second to last arena had the player face hordes of a single enemy type, which meant that sometimes the player had plenty of room to just easily walk around to dodge the enemies while taking them out one by one. Especially the scrags were too easy. Maybe a mix of monsters would keep the encounter more engaging? Like some ogres or fiends to keep the player occupied on the ground as well?
Otherwise the map looks really nice and if the lighting used to be bland, it definitely is no more, in my opinion. The ammo balance was a lot better for me this time, and even if the map is long, it didn't feel dragged out to me. There was enough variation to keep things interesting; even a little bit of platforming to change the pace a bit, which was nice.
In the end, I had fun, which is what matters.
New Enforcer
#15302 posted by Chillo on 2017/10/30 06:03:02
Looking Tasty
#15303 posted by Esrael on 2017/10/30 07:29:02
Liking the screenshot! What inspired you to remodel the enforcer, in particular? :)
@Chillo
Very nice work. It's very subtle at first glance. I went back and forth between the original and yours. The differences are very subtle. More polys for sure but still old-school looking. I like it but I wonder if there's just a bit more detail you could add to the skin or something else to distinguish this from the original? I know it's a fine line though. Overall great work.
#15305 posted by metlslime on 2017/10/30 07:42:31
if it's supposed to be a replacement, it probably shouldn't look distinct from the original.
#15306 posted by metlslime on 2017/10/30 07:42:41
also, nice work
Enforcer
#15307 posted by Chillo on 2017/10/30 08:21:40
@Esreal I wanted to start remaking all the monster models in time. The enforcer is just one that I haven't seen anyone else remake yet, so I figured I'd go with him early on.
@dumptruck_ds I struggled with the concept of adding more differentiations on my model. it would be great to eventually tweak the skin and animations to where it still fits Quake, but is also more noticeably different.
@metlslime yes, i want it to look like it fits Quake, but I do intend on changing it up a little in the future, so that the player easily notices that it is a replacement model.
Thank you all for your kind words.
Generally Replacements Are Best Done By Improving Quality.
#15308 posted by Shambler on 2017/10/30 10:24:40
Rather than radical changes. I think this fits the bill :).
Awesome, Chillo!
#15309 posted by killpixel on 2017/10/30 15:45:34
I dug your ogre and I dig this too. I like the pushed shapes - the spaulders, bracers, the gun and the bunched up pants where they meet the boots. I like his slightly more 'realistic' proportions as well, he's a bit more formidable than the original. The skin is great, but this leads to my few criticisms: being that the skin is slightly higher res and quite noisier than the original, there's some texture aliasing in-game. The contrast is a bit too much, too, and the edges of the backpack are a tad bright in particular. Maybe reduce the contrast a bit, pull back the highlights and lower the noise/diffusion when palettizing.
Great model and I look forward to your treatment of the other enemies!
I noticed this has 270% more triangles than the orginal. The future is now!
Awesome, Chillo!
#15310 posted by killpixel on 2017/10/30 15:45:54
I dug your ogre and I dig this too. I like the pushed shapes - the spaulders, bracers, the gun and the bunched up pants where they meet the boots. I like his slightly more 'realistic' proportions as well, he's a bit more formidable than the original. The skin is great, but this leads to my few criticisms: being that the skin is slightly higher res and quite noisier than the original, there's some texture aliasing in-game. The contrast is a bit too much, too, and the edges of the backpack are a tad bright in particular. Maybe reduce the contrast a bit, pull back the highlights and lower the noise/diffusion when palettizing.
Great model and I look forward to your treatment of the other enemies!
I noticed this has 270% more triangles than the orginal. The future is now!
I Just Had To Say It Twice!
#15311 posted by killpixel on 2017/10/30 15:47:24
but yeah, I pressed submit once...
@metlslime
if it's supposed to be a replacement, it probably shouldn't look distinct from the original.
The recent Orge and Shambler replacement models are quite distinctive and got a bunch of high praise. This one seems so close to the original that I wonder if it was worth the effort.
Good example of what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VTyozbUvs&ab_channel=RenierBanninga
#15313 posted by metlslime on 2017/10/30 19:54:20
I don't see that replacement shambler as distinctive. It seems to stay true to the visual design of the original, including the colors, sillouette, etc. and simply adds a little more fidelity, fixes ugly texture seams, etc.
Avant-garde Enforcer
#15314 posted by Redfield on 2017/10/30 20:52:18
Looks very good, nice touches while still staying true to Quake. Good job!
Enforcer Model Looks Good
I vote for NOT making it more distinct. The good replacement models in my opinion are the ones that don't immediately jump out at you as new and different, but rather are just subtly improved (matter of opinion, of course). That replacement Knight by Capnbubs would be a good example, as well as most of dwere's replacement weapon models.
Am I the only one who really doesn't like Skiffy's Shambler as a replacement? I mean, I respect the work that went into it and it's incredibly well done, but it looks completely out of place with its smooth curves and high-res textures.
@former_total_newbie
#15316 posted by Chillo on 2017/10/30 23:32:06
I really like his shambler, I just think he should redo the rest of the monsters to follow suit. Until then, it is incredibly out of place.
@Chillo
#15317 posted by damage_inc on 2017/10/31 01:31:28
Very nice faithful remake, good job.
My only question is, why is this enforcer so "jiggily"? Standing still in E2M1 he resembles a bowl of jello!!
Much more dramatic than stock models. Is this a Quake .mdl format limitation/issue? The higher the poly's the higher the drifts?
Enforcer
#15318 posted by madfox on 2017/10/31 06:07:36
Good model Chillo!
It's a bit rougher than the original, as it comes out to be more solid.
I miss the gunflare.
Qmle has a poor grid (512x512?).
When scaling a model down to get it fit in qmle, it often has given me a jiggled size. Then I tried to start them the right size, so small movements don't get scattered.
@Esrael
#15319 posted by spy on 2017/10/31 14:43:26
Thank you for the tips and demos
Jell-o
#15320 posted by Chillo on 2017/10/31 17:14:44
Yes, there appears to be some jiggling (Seinfeld reference).
I may need to rework the model completely. It wouldn't be too big of a deal. Right now, I'm remaking the fiend, and making sure the vertex wobbling doesn't occur any worse than the original model.
If that model comes out looking solid, I'll apply that technique to redoing the enforcer.
Thank you all for the support and suggestions!
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