not enough for shib8 on my system. It runs with -heapsize 1024000 

It's in kilobytes. 

That's wonderful, I look forward to having enough time to play this and the rest. Could this be Quake's year? Will necros release a sequel to the Altar of Storms? Will Tronyn make a comeback and release a 1TB episode? Skybox's the limit! 

Congratulations!!! Now to find some time to play these! 

Crazy how ambitious these maps are. I can't believe they still fit in 8192 unit box. Or did you lift this restriction somehow? 

sv_protocol 999 would let the map go past the 8219 limits 

8192 i mean 

Really is a major mapping milestone. I don't think we have ever had a series of maps powered by such unbridled ambition as shib1-8.

Kudos to Orl for pulling it off, and I really hope this isn't your last word. 

And to all who have commented thus far. But I want make known that unless otherwise announced, this is my last major map contribution to Quake. This does not mean I am leaving the community, I have no desire to do that. I'll always be around. But as far as mapping I feel I have hit my creative limit. Not to mention other outside factors getting involved, until I can get my life back on a path that I want it to be, I consider this to be my finale. But it is not set in stone. 

Gonna play this later but I wanted to say congratulations... your last two map packs have been stunning and I have no doubts about this one. Glad you went with a gameplay mod too, and Drake is a good one. 

The sense of scale is amazing and awe-inspiring, I would say unique in Quake maps.

Getting some Thief vibes in mission two.
Thank you and congrats! 

I neglected to mention that vkQuake, a Vulkan version of Quakespasm does work with Part 2. You may see a performance increase depending on your hardware.

https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake 

Played the first two maps in two long separate sittings. Shib6 has some incredible scenery, outdoing almost anything in Ter Shib Part 1, the aurora effect in particular. I did find a bug in Quakespasm (latest version) where if you enter it from the lower level at the wrong angle you can fall out of the map, though thankfully noclipping back up didn't seem to break anything. Shib7 was, well, incredible, possibly my favorite sandbox-style map in Quake, one of my favorite maps. I'm speechless. All I can say is you did it, man.

I haven't played shib8 yet, but my framerate on that map is MUCH lower compared to the previous two. It won't keep me from playing it though, I just haven't got to it yet. 

Skill 2 demos
Kind of a mixed bag.

shib6 with a nice mood, but without much in the way of combat. Works for an introductory map.

shib7 is a totally solid map with a sinister atmosphere and decent exploration. Fresh ammo economy and balance, with very tough enemies sprinkled in seamlessly. With the darker atmosphere and those creeping organic growths this felt closer to Zeangala than to the other Ter Shibboleth maps.

shib8 has similar balance to shib7, but more sparse and hard to recommend considering the performance. It was frustrating to me visually: you have those intricate textures "displaced" into geometry, but then right beside those you have really basic single-texture steps. Same with microscopic cutouts but no corner pieces. This kind of classic architecture especially calls for ordered levels of detail, and I don't think it works here. The lighting is a bit too harsh also.

On performance. VkQuake doesn't help at all. Relatively recent Ryzen5 2600 crawls at 14fps at shib8 start. Meanwhile a much older i5 3570k pulls off 18fps at stock settings. Interestingly though, overclocking doesn't seem to help at all. Pretty sure I'm doing something wrong, since I can't think of another bottleneck.


Including all those other Drake maps seems like a weird packaging decision/mistake, especially since the progs are from "Something Wicked" and "Nyarlathotep" is omitted.

Fullbright patch
(filed under wicked) 

For the reviews. I'm happy to hear you both enjoyed them. lpowell, could you please screenshot where the spot is that you fell off the map? I can't seem to find it.

In regards to the performance of shib8, I see now that its unacceptable for anyone's rig. Thats why I've decided to go back and update shib8, improve its performance without sacrificing detail. Also to give it some more polish and correct any weird texture placements.

So for those who haven't been able to play the map yet, I do apologize. I will release an updated version soon that will hopefully bring its performance to something more playable.

In regards to what chedap said, it probably was a mistake to include all the other drake maps in the package. Looking back, I don't know why I did that. Future release will not have them, only the shib maps. 

Sorry ORL, I should have reread my post before I hit submit, since I never said where the big happaned! It has to do with shib6's "warp tunnel," the dark tunnels that silently teleport you back and forth between a lower level cave (in the ravine that the big bridge crosses over) and another cave higher up. When I enter the lower cave I fall out of the map, unless I stick to the left. 

I am re-submitting Part 2 with a version of shib8 that is more optimized. It is not as fast as I'd like it to be but for most people it should be at the very least, playable. A few minor bug fixes as well in shib6 and 7.

https://archive.org/download/tershibbolethpart2rev2/Ter%20Shibboleth%20Part%202%20Rev2.zip

All non shib maps have been removed from this package. I hope with this revision, more people can have the chance to play through the whole thing. 

updated OP with new download link 

Congratulations, @Orl, these are astonishing maps. I admit, though, I am stuck at the end of the last one: I have three of the swords, but can't find the silver one. Where should I be looking? 

Ah, I found it! 

Thank you for updating the OP with the new link Metlslime. And I realize now that having a silver sword against a white brick wall can be hard to see from a distance, I should have swapped it with the blue sword.

I'd like to ask a question to those who have either played through the maps, or have watched someone else play through them, and answer honestly. Do you feel this release might have been more positively received or found more appealing had it been using the Arcane Dimensions mod from the start, instead of Drake? 

I've finally gotten back in the mood to play shooters after a bit of a hiatus. I just finished shib6 and the fact that I played the earlier version of this did not make this experience any less amazing. It occurred to me while playing that it was probably a mistake to start with Ter Shib when I first dove into user maps because this is the kind of stuff that I have in mind when I visualize a new map, but the engine wasn't designed for things of this scale. Yet you manage to pull it off, which is an incredibly hard thing to do even in engines that do support such a monstrous scale. My end goal is to be able to make maps like these but I've got a long way to go.

I found the map to be quite leisurely, which honestly complemented the atmosphere. It was nice to take in the sights of the aurora over the snowy town with glowing windows without perpetually being at 2 health. Although it was on the easier side (skill 2), it was never uninteresting. The ammo situation is tremendously improved from Ter Shib part 1.

I was a little overwhelmed with the number of options with which I was presented but I quickly realized that the beginning area loops around beautifully. The main area was similarly overwhelming at first but it wasn't long before I got a good feel for the layout and the progression - essentially ascending and diving farther back into the town. I was surprised that you created two exists and allowed the player to leave without fully exploring but I guess it's a nice option for those who just want to move on at that point. I gotta realize that not everyone plays like me and wants to explore every nook and cranny in Ter Shib.

I think there's a point in the starting area where you can catch a glimpse of a very distant part of the town. I have to double check but if that's true, then that's amazing. Seeing a speck on the horizon framed between mountains and actually being able to travel there eventually is incredible.

I doubt that using AD would've increased the appeal of these maps and I say that as a huge fan of AD. I've played Drake before and I think that it's an excellent mod as well. I really do like some of the different weapons and monsters that it offers. The souped up shotguns are a joy to use. Moreover, Ter Shib seems to share a bit in common with Tronyn's style, especially the beastly Something Wicked, which also used Drake. At the end of the day, I think the decision to use any mod at all was great because it keeps the maps feeling fresh, which is important with maps of this scale and length.

Skill 2, 100% cleared - all monsters and secrets. Trying to savor the conclusion to this incredible project but also looking forward to playing the last two. 

Ter Shibboleth will be defintively the next thing on my "to play" list.