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are those levels even any good?
I suppose we could mail The Romero about this, or id Software. The standard levels are now open source, so perhaps we could get the bonus ones too. On the other hand, if they were good levels somebody would already have stolen/ported them I think. You could just rip them from the pakfiles of that version, no? Oh and: Pics! Probably the levels were made (and therefore copyrighted) by another developer, i.e. whoever ported it. So Romero probably can't help, other than maybe pointing you in the right direction
... I seem to remember that those levels were at least standard id quality, I only played 2 at the time and, quite frankly, I wouldn't know where to find screenshots, I'll try google them later.
@golden_boy, do you mean that And I'd sure love to play all versions of this game! As for re-creating them... Could it be a speedmap theme? If someone finds a screenshot, the theme would be: Build a map around this! ...does not say much, tough...
http://curmudgeongamer.com/2002/03/platform-shootout-sega-saturn-quake-vs.html I've discovered the names and how to jump to the 4 bonus levels in a cheats document to be found on Fileplanet: PURGATORIUM..........|.E4L8.LEV. HELL�S AERIE.........|.E4L9.LEV. THE COLISEUM.........|.E4L10.LEV WATERY GRAVE.........|.E4L11.LEV I did not remember they were substitutes for the secrets level(Thinking of Quake without Ziggurat Vertigo gives me goosebumps), furthermore, I discovered in this document some nice features of the Sega version (i.e. the "rain" cheat that has rain falling in open areas of maps), still, no screen of the secret levels... I'll keep searching.... Can't you just warez the Saturn version and play it with an emulator? If the file structure is remotely similar to the PC version, one could maybe extract the levels and try some obscure bspversion conversion. I don't expect much from them however. Do you remember anything about their sizes/themes?
I own the N64 port shown in the comparison shots. What were they thinking when adding the colored lighting... Indeed, many areas have been simplified to varying degrees. Deathmatch rocked (well, in a way) with the wacky controls, no idea why people always refused to play it with me. ;) The Saturn version looks somewhat better. ...I'm thinking of asking that old friend if he still has the disc and try to do something with it.
About size and themes, I'd say average Q1, I seem to remember that secret level 1(Purgatorium, as we have learned), accessed from where once was Ziggurat Vertigo, was blue metal in style, with lotsa scrags... If you're interested in this version, I'd suggest you give a look at the document about cheat codes ( http://files.filefront.com/Quake+1+cheat+codes+in+detail+PC+N64+Saturn/;2607167;/fileinfo.html ) it has a good section about Sega Quake and offers nice comparation with the other 2 versions. Colored lightning, they were thinking "Hey, we can make this look like Quake2, it just came out, people will love it!". They made it look like Barnum in Hell, instead... Oh, well... Now, if I only can find the number of that friend of mine.... I am playing it with the Yabause emulator right now, unfortunately there is some overlay of sprites on the screen. Seems like they used sprites for the hud weapon models. No entities are displayed and the walls are tilted in a weird way. The levels are _very_ low quality compared to the original ones in my opinion. Like 50% of the brushwork is gone for performance.
Hm, that overlay layer can be turned off. I tried one secret map, secret3 I think. It was an arena where the player had to select a monster to fight against a computer monster (eg orge vs shambler). Or the other secret levels alike? ... As I said, I remember having played the first two secret levels, or maybe only the first one...
But, I don't remember such difference in quality... It's been along while... My brain has had to take a lot of abuse ever since... Hey, can you give me a link to Yabause? I dloaded a coupla emulators, but they don't seem to work at all... those levels look total balls! Is there supposed to be no lighting? Seriously, the majority of the people who post on Func can do better speedmaps.
but, consider the ridiculously low specs of the systems they were designed to run on. (Not to say these were awesome, but you do have to consider being told "re-make this 1mb map, but it can only be 500k in size, and you can only use lightmaps on 50% of the walls" or similar.)
...Can anyone fill me in on how to actually run a game with an emulator? I tries Yabause, SSc to no avail... YAbause is the easiest to use for me, but, after having set up the thing, told it where to find track01.iso, nothing happens...
Uff.. damn my poor tech skills.... Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks... It's _very_ slow and as I said entities do not show up. You need to find a BIOS image for Yabause and specify some options too.
@screenshots: Are you kidding? :-)
Spirit et al: What is the format, I assume it's a CD image? Is it ISO9660? If so, it should be easily readable. You could mount it and look at the contents. Maybe it does have PAK files. Or it has a LHA archive like Shareware Quake. It is definitely possible to extract the BSPs. But downloading 70 MB of crap from some unreliable host doesn't seem attractive to me considering the screenshots. Who did the four bonus levels? Id Software? Yes, it's an iso file. There are no pak files, the maps are in
They were most likely not made by id - see metl's first post. The filelist from the ISO:
382 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - 0 996 Kilobytes - 1997-10-23 - credits.lev 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-13 - drklogo.pic 1269 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l1.lev 1363 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l2.lev 1321 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l3.lev 1212 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l4.lev 1355 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l5.lev 1216 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l6.lev 654 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e1l7.lev 1369 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e2l1.lev 1349 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - e2l2.lev 1590 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e2l3.lev 1457 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e2l4.lev 1348 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e2l5.lev 1500 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e2l6.lev 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - e2m6.pic 1340 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l1.lev 1181 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l2.lev 1218 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l3.lev 1403 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l4.lev 1434 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l5.lev 1263 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e3l6.lev 982 Kilobytes - 1997-10-22 - e4l10.lev 1029 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l11.lev 1281 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l1.lev 1444 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l2.lev 1319 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l3.lev 1406 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l4.lev 1441 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - e4l5.lev 1149 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l6.lev 1497 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l7.lev 1259 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l8.lev 1080 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - e4l9.lev 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - e4m6.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - end1.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - end2.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - end3.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - end4.pic 1220 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - end.lev 81 Kilobytes - 1997-01-17 - initload.dat 164 Kilobytes - 1997-01-17 - intro.dat 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-07 - litlogo2.pic Kilobytes - 1997-09-22 - nits_abs.txt Kilobytes - 1997-09-22 - nits_bib.txt Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - nits_cpy.txt 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-07 - qblank.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-16 - qload.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - qlogo.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-13 - quaker1.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-18 - quaker2.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-13 - quaker3.pic 6 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - quake.scr 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - secret.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-18 - sega.pic 11204 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - skank.dat 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - splash1.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - splash2.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - splash3.pic 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - splash4.pic 1068 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - start.lev 632 Kilobytes - 1997-10-18 - static.dat 77 Kilobytes - 1997-10-03 - tele.pic 607 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - test.lev 518 Kilobytes - 1997-10-21 - title.lev 3 Kilobytes - 1997-10-24 - usip.bin My thought on that is that
a) LEV is obviously short for Level This means it's not really an established file format, just a work extension. I'm pretty sure the actual file format is BSP, because it seems unlikely that they had their own map compiler. b) It could be renamed BSP (unlikely) c) It could be individually compressed files, i.e. packed with one of the standard packers of the time. Finding out which is a matter of trying to open them with various unpackers. Moreover, the unpacker would have to be on the CD, because the files would need to be extracted for playing. It is either an executable or it's built into the engine. Or it's some built-in SEGA thing (BIOS?). One could also spy at the files with a text editor. Maps: If id wasn't guilty, who is? The names of these mappers should be in the Book of Quake. I doubt it's standard bsp format. At least when I opened it with a text editor and searched for worldspawn, I found nothing (no text strings). Maybe I overlooked something but I don't think so.
eg file *.lev:
all except credits.lev and e*l1.lev are "identified" as lif file, the others are just "data". Seems like file does not work on these as it also "identifies" some pictures as sounds here (at least I think we can be sure that the Watching them with a Hexeditor shows that they got quite some non-different stuff in the header(?). http://shub-hub.com/files/trash_will_be_removed/SomeExtractedDataSegaQuakeISO.zip Good luck! :) What Book of Quake? It's not in Masters of Doom if you meant that. They don't seem to be compressed as their sizes are rougly equal to their PC counterparts (a bit smaller, likely because of the reduced details).
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