Nobody Wants To Beta Test?
#9912 posted by Orl on 2013/11/13 14:48:41
Then I don't want to hear any complaints when the map is released about not being playtested enough, since no one wants to volunteer ;)
Beta Test
#9913 posted by Barnak on 2013/11/13 15:36:22
I would like to beta-test it, but I'm on QuakeSpasm, OS X.
Sorry
#9914 posted by ijed on 2013/11/13 15:42:58
Too busy :(
Beta Test
#9915 posted by mechtech on 2013/11/13 16:44:42
I'll try it out. Email it. Include a link to the engine I need to use.
I Would, But RMQ Doesn't Work...
on my surface.
I don't like missing out on maps, even this I will miss on release which is a bummer.
#9917 posted by Joel B on 2013/11/13 18:57:52
The FMV version that Spike hacked bsp2 support into is here: http://triptohell.info/moodles/junk/markv_bsp2.zip
Haven't tried it myself yet though.
For actually beta-testing a map, I expect you'd want players to use the engine that it will actually be played in on release, but RMQ is a bit of a tough sell for the general Quaking public...
ANYway, I can give it a try this weekend in whatever engine you want. If there's some particular build of RMQ that is necessary please be specific about which one and where to get it.
I Suppose What I Could Do
#9918 posted by Orl on 2013/11/13 21:26:07
Is release a trimmed down version of the map alongside the RMQ version of it, since RMQ doesn't seem to be a very popular choice here. It would have the exact layout and gameplay, but the many details would be either simplified, or removed completely to accommodate Quake's BSP limit.
It may result it the map looking somewhat plain and dull, but it would at least be playable in any Quake engine.
Orl
#9919 posted by RickyT33 on 2013/11/13 22:37:28
Don't do that!
Don't Strip It On Account Of My Pc
I actually used RMQ as a main engine until I upgraded and now it wont work.
Orl
#9921 posted by ericw on 2013/11/13 23:54:20
I can betatest this weekend, if you want one more person :-)
Too Busy
#9922 posted by Drew on 2013/11/14 00:19:55
Orl
#9923 posted by nitin on 2013/11/14 04:22:48
what I would suggest is that be specific about which build of RMQ you tested it with and recommend.
Tronyn's map worked fine once you played it with the proper RMQ build but there was a lot of trial and error until people found the right version of RMQ to play it with.
ps : I dont think you should do a stripped down version.
Orl
#9924 posted by mfx on 2013/11/14 09:08:54
better cut in two, so we have a mini episode enjoyable in Fitz:)
Just Use
#9925 posted by ijed on 2013/11/14 13:50:41
The Quakespasm hack that Spike made and was posted above by Johnny Law...
http://triptohell.info/moodles/junk/markv_bsp2.zip
RMQ was just a forked version of fitz. It had some some to handle lights and rendering better... plus some effects that everyone whinged about before turning off.
FTE And DP
#9926 posted by ijed on 2013/11/14 13:54:53
Also support BSP2 / 2PSB.
Not sure if these are considered faithful enough though.
The resistance to the BSP2 format seems to be 'I don't like big maps'.
Which I don't understand - it seems a shame since what many mappers want to do is push the boundries. One way of doing this is to extend the 1996 limitations - which has been sneaking into custom content for years anyway.
Remember when skyboxes were introduced?
The content of a map (good or bad) != map format.
Yeah, I Don't Like Big Maps
#9927 posted by Rick on 2013/11/14 14:11:05
But I can understand why people exceed the normal limits at times.
I can't offer to do a thorough beta test because I have a map of my own that I'm desperately trying to finish this year and I just don't think I have time. I could give it a play through and offer any comments though.
plus some effects that everyone whinged about before turning off.
I still can't turn off interpolation.
</brick To Back Of Head>
#9929 posted by ijed on 2013/11/14 15:01:46
Isn't that just one of the standard fitz commands?
Which Engine To Use
#9930 posted by Orl on 2013/11/14 15:56:58
The RMQ engine that I have been using for testing is version 0.85.3, dated December 28th 2011. The latest build of RMQ presents unusual problems such as grenades falling through solid floors and monsters getting stuck in places they shouldn't. I may just include 0.85.3 of RMQ with the map release, so there's no confusion of what RMQ engine to use.
I tested the map with Darkplaces, and it runs fine but there are certain essentials items that disappear from the map, as well as alpha textures not being supported.
FTE will load the map, but about 30 seconds in will crash, I'm not certain why.
@mfx The map is actually already split in two, that's how large it is :)
Fitzquake_mark_v_bsp2 unfortunately doesn't load the map at all, it returns with an error of mod_loadleafs 34703 exceeds limit of 32767. I'm assuming that this could be an easy fix.
To those concerned about the map being too big, I can say right now its not THAT big, maybe only 20 minutes for the first part of the map. It's size is massive, but the actual play area isn't too big, to the point where I'm certain you won't be able to get lost.
And I won't make a stripped down version of the map ;)
Ijed
Not in MH's Genius Engine 10.0, no,
Big Maps Are So Last Year
#9932 posted by Spiney on 2013/11/14 19:06:27
hubQuake is the new thang.
Orl
#9933 posted by nitin on 2013/11/14 21:48:04
yeah that sounds like a good idea.
Can't Figure This One Out
#9934 posted by Rick on 2013/11/14 22:41:45
I had an idea, but when I went to build it things didn't work the way I thought they would.
The idea was to spawn a bunch of monsters, in a stack, inside a tall skinny box. I put a teleport brush in the bottom of the box. The teleport is triggered once every 4 seconds by a string of relays.
I expected the stack of monsters to fall every time the bottom monster was ported out, but no. In addition, not all the monsters would drop on top of the one below it when initially spawned. Some would just hang in mid air, at their original spawn point (I had them spaced with 128 units apart vertically).
Suggestion
#9935 posted by Preach on 2013/11/14 22:54:28
I haven't bothered to test this one, but it might just work...
Try adding a trigger_monsterjump with speed 1 and angle pointing down to cover all four monsters. Also place them closer together so it doesn't matter if they don't drop to the floor initially.
What Engine?
#9936 posted by Spirit on 2013/11/14 23:23:32
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