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you know, i get the feeling you'd feel more at home in a modelling program than making maps. that's just me though
Ok, I'm in Thailand now and have made a short and unintersting update over at my new site: http://bear.leveldesign.org
I plan to update that page very now and then will put up photos when I get the opportunity, many would probably fit well as inspirational material (lots of temples and stuff). Blitz that's gay man. Had I any knowledge on the subject I would help of course, but I totally sympathize. That's some bull shit man. :(
I entered the thread totally expecting some good drama, but all I found was a mapping problem I really can't help with. So, sorry Blitz.
http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=13875&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
some better than others but not bad attempts. Obviously skins will make or break. Tarbaby: sure
Wizard: head isn't loyal Enforcer: meh Dog: yay Ogre: interesting but not overall fat/ugly Hellknight: sure Demon: yay Shalrath: meh Shambler: yay x 10 Fish: yay Soldier: meh looks perfect!
others are varying amounts of meh. legs on the vore are fucked up but otherwise alright. scragg's head looks moronic and shambler isn't covered in fur (although i can understand the reason for that last one, but it has to result of looking more just like a d3 hellknight but slightly different. the skin for this will be very important on whether it will look like a hellknight dropped at birth or a shambler...) honestly, i have no idea why they posted the animation of the ogre's walk frames... they are terrible and look wooden. plus his upper body is moving way too much... same with the soldier's run animation. less wooden, but it looks like he's working out on a treadmill and not chasing after the player trying to rip his lungs out. I like the shambler, but where are his claws? One of the shamblers main characteristics is the huge bloodied claws he has.
The fish is pretty good, and the fiend looks decent. The others I am not so sure about. The ogre looks reasonable, but really needs a more Quakey outfit and his GL and chainsaw to really look like the ogre. The dog doesn't look scary, and the enforcer and soldier (Quakeguy or grunt?) are a bit sucky. They could have pretty much modelled the Quakeguy and modelled in the detail on his texture and he would have looked awesome - same for the enforcer. They also need the zombified look they have in Quake. I agree about the wizards head - doesn't look like a scrag at all :( Yeah generally variable amounts of meh.
As always with these things, the quality of the modelling is great, but the faithfullness to what makes Quake monsters Quakey is often lacking. I don't understand why, it's not hard to start Quake, find some monsters, and have a think about their distinctive characteristics. I like the fish though. All below here is about the "'faithful' to Quake: yes or no?" from me.
soldier: Uhm... Y M C A! Looks gay. Even Monkeyrat's http://members.optushome.com.au/~plaguespak/screenshots/player.jpg looks better (his weapon models are great even not 'faithful'.)... fish: The first one looks ok. But that is maybe the most easy model. shambler: Looks way too skinny and not evil enough. The head looks bad and I agree with than about the claws. shalrath: Way too insectoid. And the legs bend(?) into the wrong direction! Also it lost all his female looks, the face, the arms... fiend: pretty good, but I don't like the huge horns and the "face". hellknight: Did anyone say Diablo? Looks absolutely too "good". ogre: Totally wrong. He is too tall and not fat enough. dog: Looks like a real rottweiler = good :) enforcer: wtf? wizard: A weird mix of human face and elements from 'the' Alien. Not too bad, but not faithful at all in my opinion. The original wizard has some "bird-like" appereance in it's face (I can't explain that really good... Maybe you know what I mean.) tarbaby: So who but silicone on his joystick? The animations just look awful. I like the fish and the demon. The shambler is OK but needs claws, and his head I think should be less of a head).
The tech guys (grunt, enforcer) look terrible, they could be placed in any FPS, they don't resemble the originals at all. Ogre is the one I hate the most. It doesn't resemble the ogre at all. Tarbaby doesn't have the kind-of-face element that makes the original interesting and is rather just a blob; scrag is decent model (as it basically copies the original exactly but with more detail; actually it probably should be been "ported" less and "interpreted" more)- BUT they fucked up the face, as they did with the vore. hell knight looks good though not like the original (place this model in any RPG, sure), plus his arm lengths seem very odd indeed. Rest is meh. Did anyone check out the map screenshots? Q: WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING ARE SHINY, LIKE A POLISHED CAR? A) STONES B) TIMBER C) ROCKS D) MUCK E) ALL OF THE ABOVE F) NONE OF THE ABOVE AND THE CORRECT ANSWER IS.... for chrissakes, F! The classic Doom3 mod (which tries to convert original Doom1 maps to Doom3) seems to have run into a similar problem. You cannot just reuse high-resolution textures with some doom3 shininess and port the original quake/doom maps exactly because IT WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT I know I have bitched about some of the modelling being unfaithful to the art style/lame/generic, and it's not like I don't appreciate these people trying. However, I think any mod of this type should try to emulate the mood/style/atmosphere of the original (yes, and the level layouts, but add more details where appropriate), and not either a) port directly or b) make up some shit that has nothing to do with the original and say that it does. ok, thats already far too much ranting I've been contemplating+sketching a high-poly shambler for literally years. I guess I'm just going to have to take the plunge, upgrade my machine, get a copy of Max and do this myself.
Sigh. Most of the models seem well made, but they just don't fit in my opinion, the proportions don't work in most, what's up with the shambler's tiny head and tiny hands? Where are his claws?
Yeah, I'd really like to try modelising a Shambler some day. The Fish? Yeah, I did that ZBrush tutorial too: http://pixologic.com/zbrush/media_links/movies.html
What others said really. Some of the models are competant (Fiend, Shambler), but seem to ignore a lot of the characteristics that made the original Quake versions good. Animations make Baby Jesus cry :( me too! Don't have time right now. I was going to have a go at modelling an ogre, and took some screens from Quake to get a good idea of his proportions (he's pretty bloody square, actually) but never got started.
Maybe if we worked together we could make our own series of high poly Quake characters. If we had some time to do it. Haha at the zbrush tutorial, that fish did seem familiar. =)
Than, heh that would rock, but bleh, time... T__T Have you tried zbrush? I saw that tutorial when I was working in the UK early last year and thought it was pretty cool, but having watched it again, it looks shit hot (for characters at least). Any good?
I haven't tried zbrush so much yet, and well, even if you can pretty much do your complete model in it (like in that tutorial), I'd still prefer making the initial model in max/maya, and then going to zbrush for all the details. It's definatly a very powerful app (I have some Gnomon zbrush vids, there's some impressive stuff).
in general they look pretty good. As others have said, shambler needs claws (and sharp teeth), wizard/scrag a mouthless kinda face, and the shalrath should get rid of the techy bits, it's a mystical creature.
The fiend is good in the shot shown... the ogre ain't that bad in my opinion, I'd add more fat though. Hmm. I don't know what the tarbaby will look like when moving if it doesn't blob-droop (if you understand) more but instead has just a thin appendage. We'll see, if it's continued along the line. The rear end of the rottweiler is kinda small in the rear structure but i don't know if it's a wide angle shot or a badly breeded dog as model. :/ Just my ideas, i'm not a modeler or anything.
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