Hopefully we'll get a stronger "indie" game scene when most mainstream game projects becomes gigantic boring dinosaurs that cost a fortune to make. 

and I don't want to be made to feel fucking miserable when I'm playing a game.

Hell yeah, I mean you could just play Q3A or CS and be fucking miserable at a bargain bin price ;) 

Seriously folks, I agree with than and Bal. Sadly even considering paying employees to make a game comparable to Thin Red Line would be an absolute financial disaster for most companies, so we only have some crazy volunteers to look to.

Of course, a game that has at least a fraction of what Thin Red Line offers would probably change the market.

* Lies 

think of it this way.

For every good war film that does what you say, there's 5 crap ones that are just all explosions and loud noise (for every Apocalypse Now, there is a We Were Soldiers, Pearl Harbour etc etc).

So, given the financials behind films and most producers stll lacking the balls to make stuff like that, games are a long way off. 

I can't believe you put We Were Soldiers in the shit category with Pearly Harbour. We Were Soldiers at least had bits from the VC perspective... actually, I think Pearly Harbour did too, but ffs... PEARL FUCKING HARBOUR! BEN FUCKING AFFLECK! FOR FUCKS SAKE.

We were soldiers is not the best film ever by a long shot, but it is not even in the same league as Pearl Harbour.

Back on topic though, why does everyone assume that people are stupid and will be satisfied by game after game of the exact same stupid explosions, the exact same extreme scripted missions, total lack of emotion and claim to authenticity?

Like Vigil said, I think that if someone did release a war game that was more mature than kids playing cowboys and indians in their back yard it could do a lot to change the market and go some way to alter the general perception of games as for children. 

why does everyone assume that people are stupid and will be satisfied by game after game of the exact same stupid explosions, the exact same extreme scripted missions, total lack of emotion and claim to authenticity?

because it's now the exaxt same stupid stuff with better graphics, surround sound and extra cheese! 

Are you still in japan btw? What are you up to now apart from trying to build a portfolio? 

yeah you're right, it's not in the same league but it's still a crap film.

As is Windtalkers, enemy at the gates etc. Actually, out of that bunch I'm probably being a bit harsh on enemy at the gates but it's still a crap movie.

Anyway, in the end, if the game sells well, why would any studio in their right (commercial) mind change what they're doing ?

That's the bottom line. 

it's easy:

Consumers!

Stop buying crap!

And don't complain after you've seen the next pearl harbour / played zombie bash 9. Don't buy IKEA or other crappy chipboard furniture. Don't buy thin 5 euro refugee pizzas made from tomato substitutes. Don't buy stupid latest gadgets like music players, cellphones or computers - they're not must-haves! The dumpsters are already full of that crap that was so must-have only yesterday!

Stop being a ravenous bunch of idiots.

Just say no - beforehand.

Thank you.
 

Now I'll never look at my IKEA custom-molded foot stool the same ever again. 

was the second crappest. An otherwise decent film imho RUINED by the stupid love interest shit that just pissed me off the whole time. 

Cheap, good quality, designer furniture? Oh hell yeah! 

Is the Nazi conquest for Poland in the 21st Century. 

�Stop being a ravenous bunch of idiots.�

ill second that. with incorrect grammar/typing. 

Can anyone here (especially CZG) tell me what's wrong with this screenshot?

http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/bwf-wtf.jpg

It's unedited. 

 

WW2 is so farmed for games these days because it's a conflict in recent memory where the two sides CAN be painted in black and white, which is what many games usually call for RECURSIVE ERROR: There was a SQL error. 

OMG

Teh conspiracy!!

Did you continue to register, or where you too scared?? 

It's a secret hint that I Am Awesome.

As if you needed a hint. 

rofl!
now i'm afraid of czg, that bastard. 

You're a tiresome parrot, regurgitating tired Palahniukian phrases in a tiresome way. 

what is Palahniukian? Google gives some author I've never heard of.
Please add something to the discussion. 

Fight Club and some other overpopular crap I haven't read or watched as a movie. 

http://czg.leveldesign.org/stuff/omgwtf2.jpg 

rather than quietly choosing fonts in photoshop to match this silly picture, you better fuck off to map, bitch