I mailed it to you in case you didn't want it public. 

Cybear, who takes home a properly capitalized name worth over seven million euros. 

I noticed a post on Shacknews regarding what Infinity War, Makers of CoD are doing now. I thought briefly about CoD3 and then posted a short rant about the portrayal of war in videogames. I re-read it after posting and realised that as I probably won't get anything but fanboys telling me how awesome CoD is, I thought I should pop it up here for quick discussion.

If they end up making a CoD 3 (haha, like they won't - it's guaranteed to make $$$) I really hope they don't just make the same game again with new locations and a few tweaks. I really hope that someone will take the WW2 FPS game and approach it with more maturity. I want a developer that gets rid of this stupid good vs bad shit and tries to show what war is really like from both sides, and adds real personality to the soldiers, rather than just throwing cannon fodder at the enemy AI to make it look like you are fighting in a war. What I would like to see most is that GERMAN SOLDIERS WERE NOT ALL FUCKING NAZIS. For Gods sake, how hard can it be to at least let the players empathize with them and show that they were having just as shitty a time as the allies.

I am not German (British actually) but ffs, why do we have to have such a stupid black and white portrayal of soldiers in a war. Obviously, it's not just CoD that does this, but we are often trying to say that games can compete on an intellectual level with literature and film, yet our war games feel like fucking Independance Day. Sure, if you are setting your game in a fantasy wolrd it's fine to have the good guys all good and the bad guys all bad (not that you have to, of course), but in a supposedly realistic portrayal of the greatest war in history, where millions upon millions lost their lives, you might at least try to show that it's not just some fucking goon running through a few towns shooting nazis and saving mankind.

Rant over.

Does anyone else think that it's time all these fucking stupid ass WW2 fps games stopped, and someone got some balls and tried to make a much more mature war game? The closest thing I have seen FPS-wise is Vietcong, although it's still pretty much shooting "GOOOOOOKS!" all the time. 

it's never going to happen.

and vietcong sort of worked as coop, not as sp which is primarily what cod is. 

it's never going to happen.

and vietcong sort of worked as coop, not as sp which is primarily what cod is. 

Why is it impossible that a developer will, at some point in the future, possibly in the next five years, create a WW2 FPS that is fun, yet at the same time doesn't glorify war or misrepresent those involved? You might not think it can happen, but I believe it will happen at some point.

This is one thing that drives me nuts. Sure, CoD might be fun, and the developer/publisher might claim that it is an authentic and realistic portrayal of war. However, they can't even begin to give their audience an idea of what war is like - it's almost like like saying love is all hugs and kisses. Fucking bullshit. I'm sick of it, and won't be buying any war games that claim to be realistic unless they start to address this problem.

Wolfenstein is fine, of course - it's fantasy, and doesn't pretend to be realistic or state that level x is an accurate representation of the spot where some glider landed. The glider might be in the right place, but I'm sure all those funnels and clip brushes weren't there in 1944.

By the way, no, I don't think that I know what war is like from watching a few war films, but the majority of films based on WW2 at least show the suffering of the people fighting the war, the civilians, and to some extent... the naz... sorry, Germans. 

You made me pregnant 

Obviously you won't get a game that gives an accurate impression of war, because most of the time war is fucking miserable and I don't want to be made to feel fucking miserable when I'm playing a game. But hell, even leaving the game content alone and adding a drop more maturity to the backstory would leave a better taste in the mouth. 

So true. =(
They should make a war game that is to other war games what the Thin Red Line is to average war films. 

Hopefully we'll get a stronger "indie" game scene when most mainstream game projects becomes gigantic boring dinosaurs that cost a fortune to make. 

and I don't want to be made to feel fucking miserable when I'm playing a game.

Hell yeah, I mean you could just play Q3A or CS and be fucking miserable at a bargain bin price ;) 

Seriously folks, I agree with than and Bal. Sadly even considering paying employees to make a game comparable to Thin Red Line would be an absolute financial disaster for most companies, so we only have some crazy volunteers to look to.

Of course, a game that has at least a fraction of what Thin Red Line offers would probably change the market.

* Lies 

think of it this way.

For every good war film that does what you say, there's 5 crap ones that are just all explosions and loud noise (for every Apocalypse Now, there is a We Were Soldiers, Pearl Harbour etc etc).

So, given the financials behind films and most producers stll lacking the balls to make stuff like that, games are a long way off. 

I can't believe you put We Were Soldiers in the shit category with Pearly Harbour. We Were Soldiers at least had bits from the VC perspective... actually, I think Pearly Harbour did too, but ffs... PEARL FUCKING HARBOUR! BEN FUCKING AFFLECK! FOR FUCKS SAKE.

We were soldiers is not the best film ever by a long shot, but it is not even in the same league as Pearl Harbour.

Back on topic though, why does everyone assume that people are stupid and will be satisfied by game after game of the exact same stupid explosions, the exact same extreme scripted missions, total lack of emotion and claim to authenticity?

Like Vigil said, I think that if someone did release a war game that was more mature than kids playing cowboys and indians in their back yard it could do a lot to change the market and go some way to alter the general perception of games as for children. 

why does everyone assume that people are stupid and will be satisfied by game after game of the exact same stupid explosions, the exact same extreme scripted missions, total lack of emotion and claim to authenticity?

because it's now the exaxt same stupid stuff with better graphics, surround sound and extra cheese! 

Are you still in japan btw? What are you up to now apart from trying to build a portfolio? 

yeah you're right, it's not in the same league but it's still a crap film.

As is Windtalkers, enemy at the gates etc. Actually, out of that bunch I'm probably being a bit harsh on enemy at the gates but it's still a crap movie.

Anyway, in the end, if the game sells well, why would any studio in their right (commercial) mind change what they're doing ?

That's the bottom line. 

it's easy:

Consumers!

Stop buying crap!

And don't complain after you've seen the next pearl harbour / played zombie bash 9. Don't buy IKEA or other crappy chipboard furniture. Don't buy thin 5 euro refugee pizzas made from tomato substitutes. Don't buy stupid latest gadgets like music players, cellphones or computers - they're not must-haves! The dumpsters are already full of that crap that was so must-have only yesterday!

Stop being a ravenous bunch of idiots.

Just say no - beforehand.

Thank you.
 

Now I'll never look at my IKEA custom-molded foot stool the same ever again. 

was the second crappest. An otherwise decent film imho RUINED by the stupid love interest shit that just pissed me off the whole time. 

Cheap, good quality, designer furniture? Oh hell yeah! 

Is the Nazi conquest for Poland in the 21st Century. 

�Stop being a ravenous bunch of idiots.�

ill second that. with incorrect grammar/typing. 

Can anyone here (especially CZG) tell me what's wrong with this screenshot?

http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/bwf-wtf.jpg

It's unedited.