Is a pain in the arse to set up - the real reason to use it is the very good texture handling and visually simple frontend.

Vista also hates it with a passion. 

Ahh, being on Vista might be part of the problem them too.

No worries, BSP actually seems to be pretty good now that I've meticulously set up the preferences the way I want them. I don't think it has rotational texture locking which is the one thing I really wanted Worldcraft for. I can get by without it though... 

Now you know why you should have written ToeTag crossplatform in the beginning. 

Spirit

So much work. :)


I forgot my main complaint with BSP - the 3D camera controls. Horrible. So horrible.

But Worldcraft isn't much better, so, no loss there. 

different drivers? 

I can't be bothered, to be honest. I'm done with installing different versions of drivers to make things work. :) Thanks for the suggestion though. 

I've been all over that s@#*

http://www.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDHomePage.aspx

The newest ati drivers are actually pretty neat. Massive performance increases and everything! Got to be worth a try....

See it occurred to me - the hardware accelleration mode of Hammer likely uses the hardware within your computer.

And seeing as you have told me yourself that you never use your computer for gaming then it would make sense that your drivers aren't up to date. I mean they release new drivers every couple of minutes nowadays. And they release these "updates" to operating systems also.

Maybe thats why I never have any real problems with these things - I recognise the fact that I have to take it upon myself to make sure that I am using the correct tools for the job. I cannot entrust this task to Dell or Hewlett-Packard, they frankly suck. Taking value from the end-user product at every possible turn.

So seriously, if you are serious about mapping with an editor which works well and has all of that magical texture locking stuff which makes it about as easy as Lego bricks, then atleast try installing the latest drivers for your GPU. If that doesnt work then fine, stick to the manual and time consuming method, I'm sure its no big deal.

But its got to be worth a try hasnt it?

If you have some kind of horrible OEM GPU in your box then I'm sorry, I cant offer any advice other than dont buy hardware from these big firms who dont give a c@#p about their customers (HP grrrrr.....) 

Look, I appreciate the help but understand that I've been tinkering with PCs for over 20 years now. I understand all about getting the latest drivers and all that jazz. I got it. I just can't be bothered at the moment.

I'll maybe take another shot at it later this week but I've already lost several hours to getting Hammer working and, frankly, I'd rather be working on my brushes. 

Any ideas?

GTK 1.4

(seriously) 

Last time I tried it, GTK was almost as large of a farce as this Worldcraft adventure has been. Does it have a simple installer and does it "just work"? 

about your platform, whilst yelling "farce" and stuff, man. You ask for help then you tell me you "might" try again later.

I dont understand. I defend the editor because I have been using it ever since I upgraded from WC 1.6.

What features does Hammer have that Worldcraft 3.3 doesnt anyway? AFAIK they are extremely similar, the interface and button icons and everything are identical. But the Quakeadapter was meant for WC 3.3, but you used Hammer. Why?

Also, for future reference (for me) please tell me what platform you are using? Im only asking because in the future someone will complain that they have the same problem, and if you find a solution ever then I might be able to help them, or atleast be able to say that this happens with GPU x or OS y, and that using driver z helped, or whatever.

Do ya get me?

I understand that it sucks when stuff doesnt work out of the box so to speak (took me ages to get Bioshock DX10 to run on my Windows 7 rig, and yeah - I was frustrated, tired, had a million other things to be thinking of.

But anyway, if you get a minute, or ever decide to attempt mapping with this software ever again like could you let me know your GPU, OS, driver version and things please :) 

Absolute noob on compilers, but the one time I tried to instal GTK radiant I got lost in different versions my computer didn't like.
Win98 user - Dos fan.

GTK 1.4 worked right away. 

Ricky

Again, thanks, but I'm going to try BSP for a bit and see how it goes. It works. That's all I ask from this stuff. :)

MadFox

I might try Radiant again but I remember a similar clusterfuck with it. Different versions, different feature sets, stuff to install, ... blech! 

What is the problem with the 3D camera controls on BspEditor? 

They aren't UnrealEd's controls, basically. :)

I just have to get used to them I guess. Most Quake editors have clunky 3D camera controls. Any time you require me to use the keyboard to navigate, it's kind of a fail. 

Not sure which version you are using (I use 96b because they dropped support for BspBuild after that) but mouse scroll wheel for movement, and Alt+mouse for 360 looking work fine. I use Shift+ Left Mouse for texture alignment, CTRL + Left Mouse for texture sizing on the fly; and the mouse controls are fully configurable anyway. 

ALT, huh? Will try that (right now it's my middle mouse button). I JUST picked it up last night so I'm definitely open to learning whatever I can about it. 

...and I use CTRL/Alt Left Mouse for texture rotation; especially good for aligning wood textures on spiral staircases. 

I'm still having problems converting my wads into hlwads with the qconverter stuff. I gave up on trying to figure that out, but I'm tired of the vanilla textures lately...

Ricky, I remember a long time ago you offered to give me a few more .hlwads if I needed them.

could you send me the Half life and DOOM hlwads!? 

Since we happen to be on the subject of mapping editors, I feel I need to share this bit of info in case someone else encounters it. I probably am the last person using Worldcraft 1.6, but irregardless.

If you are using an Nvidia graphics card with the latest drivers, and are on Windows Vista or 7, you will experience a garbled 3d view in WC 1.6 that seemingly can't be fixed. This is because it's due to an Nvidia driver fault, and not because of Vista or Windows 7.

Worldcraft 1.6 uses DirectX, NOT OpenGL. WC uses the nvd3dum.dll which is Nvidia's Vista compatible D3D driver. This is the driver that causes the garbled screen problem, at least the current version of it does now. Any version higher than 182.50 of this driver causes the garbled screen.

So in order to fix it, you must copy the nvd3dum.dll from an older set of Nvidia drivers (182.50 or below) and place it in Worldcraft's main folder. This will remedy the 3D view problem.

I will gladly provide the old nvd3dum.dll driver that fixes the garbled screen problem, but again I'm not sure if anyone else out there uses WC 1.6 anymore. Still, I felt it was necessary to share in case someone does. 

I'll see what I got ready.

The HalfLife one needs to be tinkered I think because its too big/has textures which are too big.

But I got the doom ones :) 

but again I'm not sure if anyone else out there uses WC 1.6 anymore

i thought my post above kinda suggested i did :)

i have a nvidia card too, but am only on XP. useful to know if i ever end up getting windows 7 though.

just to clarify, do you mean the normal 3d view or hardware accelerated mode? the latter has never really worked properly for me (can never seem to select the right brush/face/item) so always stick with the standard 

thanks dude, I really appreciate it if you can, but no worries if it won't work out. 

just to clarify, do you mean the normal 3d view or hardware accelerated mode?

That's a good question. Yes, it only affects the normal software rendered 3D view. It doesn't garble the 3D view when using hardware accelerated mode, but you can't use that mode either because you can't select anything in the 3D view, as you said.

But since you use XP, you won't have the 3D view problem regardless. :) 

Open Source Worldcraft - because Valve can't be trusted to make it work.