Omg, it's Rick Lipsey remaking his Well of Wishes! 

Ok guys, not a single person emailed me regarding the beta. I'll give it a couple of days but if no-one emails me then I'm pretty much going to tweak it a small amount and then release.
I haven't done any skill adjustment or anything, it's my first proper SP map so I could do with a little input. 

cool map with great interconnectivity. I liked the speedrunning on this map. 

gimme 

Ok guys, not a single person emailed me regarding the beta.
You could be more proactive!?! Email people from this board, most users have email addresses setup. Some people will respond, some won't but at least you will find out. Also you need to think about what sort of feedback you want? and what changes are you willing to make? 

I now have a couple of beta testers... As for feedback I'm open to *all* feedback, for example I went and changed almost all the trims (and trim alignment), about 30-40 errant brushes, almost all the terrain, and a bunch of other stuff based entirely on negke's extensive feedback alone.
Since this is my first SP map (I have only made MP maps up until now), I suspect I have a bit more work cut out for me this time around.

A lot of the time I'm looking for a kick up the backside. 

Yes, my map is a re-make of "Well of Wishes", but the "Well" is gone now - not that it served any purpose in the first place :)

I do appreciate all the comments and suggestions.

@czg You're right, I hadn't really noticed but the red window does look out of place. I've aready made a blue one to match the other windows up there.

@sock The hellknight has a monster jump so he can get down, but he can attack okay from up there. The player will have other things to contend with also.


I agree that making the two small towers and the red window thingy protrude more to unify the upper and lower sections is a good idea, I think I actually had it that way at one point. The map is pretty big and I'm up against the marksurfaces limit, but I'll see what might be possible.

There may not be enough room anyway, since there is this other big chunk of architecture at the other end of the bridge.

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/wish13bridge.jpg

About those arches in the wall. I only put those there to break up the huge expanse of featureless wall after I enlarged this area. I really don't have any room to make them deeper, I was hoping the small stones texture vs the large stones texture would be enough differentiation. I suppose I could add another (darker) texture. I think I may need to re-color the stone textures anyway to make them less gray and more brown in order to fit in better with the brick texture.

It's very hard to make any major structural changes at this point because the map is like a giant 3D jigsaw puzzle. Also, I made a promise to myself when I started this remake back in 2007 that it would not exceed any of the normal engine limits and I'm very close right now on both models and marksurfaces.

This map has become more of a hobby than a project but I'd really like to actually finish it in 2013. 

is one of my favourite old-school releases! One of the very first custom maps I ever played for quake, and one that I actually come back to fairly frequently. Really looking forward to this labour of love, in whatever form it ends up taking, so thanks in advance Rick, and good luck with the final push! 

I really like this first effort of yours !
that gate creates a sense of suspence and fright! 

my comment was for a screenshot way up above Rick's WellOfWishes

..been lost in the flood of posts.. 

I played around with changing the window towers this morning. I'm not sure I like the new ones. I think they stick out too much and I don't really like the passageway through them.

Screens:

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/Wish13_t2.jpg

Luckily marksurfaces only went up by about 150. I may move the HK path to one of the sides and lose the middle section of the center walkway. That way I could push the front of the towers back 64 units. That would kind of mess up one of the larger battles in the map though, so I might just go back to the way it was after all.

The transition from the octagonal lower parts to the rectangular upper parts is kind of awkward, not sure I like that either.

I'm still working on recoloring the textures. 

 

The yellow lights on the bridge really stand out though, doesn't look quite right. Unless there is a gameplay reason for them to be different colours? 

This is really awesome ! 

Nice stuff. The sticking out windows / buttresses + passage through look ok in the shots to me.

The blue/black theme is nice.

Be sure to add lights of wind ambient sounds :) 

That looks damn fine. I'm not sold on the yellow lights under the bridge either, but the rest is awesome. 

Those yellow lights under the bridge were just an experiment. I'm still trying different things as far as style goes. I think the orange lit windows in the big tower on the left need to go also.

The new stone textures have a bit more brown and less green and blue than the ones in those screens. They match the brick series a little better. The brick is what's on the wall behind the two middle tower things, just above the walkway. You can tell that it's more brown. May have to take some brown out of the brick as well.

Making textures for Quake is a bit of a pain because of the limited color palette. 

Could you send me those blue window textures perchance? My next map is a completely blue map and I only have a couple of finishing touches to my current map (it WILL be released this weekend!)... 

pics look *very* nice :) 

those shots are art, don't agree with the others here bothering bout yellow lighting.
blue n yellow always is a good match, as they are opposing on the colorcircle. human eyes dig that. 

on top of bridge look fine, the ones below stand out too much. Otherwise looks ace. 

Okay, I really didn't like the window towers in the last version. They just seemed too heavy and massive and tended to overwhelm the surrounding architecture.
I've come up with this new approach. To me, this is a lot better. Note that I only changed the left side, the right side is the original.

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/Wish13_t3.jpg

I really like the way this looks. The new brushwork is more lightweight but still pulls the upper and lower parts together very well. Unfortunately, marksurfaces went up quite a lot (32,354) .

While it's not perfect, I think the final version is somewhere in this screenshot, I just need to tweak things a bit.

Ideally the upper window thing would align with the lower buttress, but there's not enough room for that. I'm thinking that the whole central area needs to be widened by about 128 units, but the surrounding parts of the map are so close that it would require a massive amount of work, so that's probably not going to happen.

At this point, I think I need to go back and fix any problems with actual gameplay instead of fiddling with brushes, then take a shot at at reducing marksurfaces (which are actually the most illogical of all the original Engine limitations) and finally, tweak the detailing.

There's also a lot of texture work to be done.

I have really appreciated all the comments, please don't stop. 

looks very cool. i'd suggest building some little bits of structure up in the sky area to hint at more of the world than what is playable, but it seems you're at the limit?

isn't the new fitzquake (and all variants) limit 65k for marksurfaces? 

I really like that sort of asymmetrical-gothic look, and I wouldn't worry about a lack of alignment. This looks more interesting. I also like the colour scheme, though more variety in the brick texture (different sizes of bricks/stones or maybe trim) might add to the aesthetic appeal.

Also here's a couple shots of my own though they don't really show much of anything:

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/bw1.jpg

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/bw2.jpg 

tronyn, love the first shot!