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That speedmap was one of the first maps I ever played (ran pretty slow...); that and Daz' graffiti maps are some of my favorite ("mapping-wankery-")speedmaps ever. 
The Drill 
Is the size of a room and not supposed to be used for drilling. The limitation of the grid is 2x2 so making a drill of 128 size I wouldn't even attempt - straight to .mdl.

Rj, the spiral made in the way you describe (assuming I'm not missing a step) comes back as invalid solid unless trisouped, though I haven't compiled to check it yet.

I still think back to SPoG - that map was insane for geometric complexity.

Hm, might try to coax AguirRe back to Quake 1 to see what made formations can be tweaked to compile better.

24 sided curved spiral anyone? 
Can You 
upload a .map of your attempt so i can see if you went wrong anywhere? 
Actually Scratch That 
i just opened up the rmf of that map and noticed that wasn't how i did it. each side was actually split into 4 not 2. i'll just upload the thing so you can have a look and pull it apart :) 
 
There's 
Sprials.rmf in the testmaps folder, or there's examples of 24 sided shapes from ctf1rq - with some geodesic domes in there as well. 
Although 
The 24 sided stuff is pretty limited.

...I remember I did include some helix' as well though - above the stairs off to the sides in the courtyard. 
 
i just put up a 24 sider in the same folder. it only goes down to the 4 grid at that size so you could in theory either half the bar widths or go for a full-blown 48 sider if you wanted to show off. you could probably get away with half the bars though at 24/48, i don't think spog's had that many 
Thanks 
Will take a butchers later though, got people starting to arrive. 
Spawning Items. 
Okay - so trying to do something with this not quite speedmap and wondering

how can I go about spawning a key in a map?

I'm working in Quoth, of course. 
Bah 
I was going to post a hacky way of doing it, but I'll hold my tongue. There's a correct way of doing it, which is to use the info_multispawn with a spawncount of 1, and set the spawnclassname and spawnfunction to item_key1 instead of a monster class.

A full write-up of the info_multispawn entity can be found here: http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60173&start=257&end=257 
Thanks! 
 
Func_Train Trouble ... 
Hello again,

I have made a Func_train that goes round, it has 4 path_corners. What I want to do, if possible, is to make a door that opens up to let the train go true. The problem is, I don't know how to do that. Any ideas ? 
Well You Can Time The Door To Open 
At the correct time. Make a trigger_relay entity with the same targetname as the train. When the train gets triggered it will trigger the trigger_relay too. And you make the trigger_relay target the door, but give the trigger_relay a "delay" key with a value of "X", X being the amount of seconds before the door is to open.

Is it "delay" or "wait"? One or the other :) 
 
Yes, that's right. Though it sounds like the door is supposed to open not only once but every time the train passes it. In this case you have to add a second relay with the same targetname that fires the first relay again after the right delay, so the cycle starts over again. 
 
Is it possible to make a path_corner trigger the relay or even the door directly? 
No. 
But you can make the door trigger the relay. Or itself after the time the train needs to do its round - then you'd have to add the field "use" "multi_trigger" to the door. 
Btw 
Keep in mind this kind of delay/script may easily run out of sync if the train is blocked by the player or monsters. 
Thanks 
for your suggestions.
I'll try and work it out.
Otherwise I'll just have to bin the whole idea.
It's one of these "but I set my mind on it" ideas ... 
Another Way Would To Make The Door 
A train. You could set a path_corner at the open and closed positions of the door, and give them a "wait" key of however long you want the door to wait until it moves again. 
I Like That One 
that,s how i would want to do it

... 
A Note: 
Ricky, we've got that done on the code end for RMQ - triggering from when a path_corner is hit. 
Making Painkeep Maps 
I'm trying to make a Painkeep map using gtkRadiant. I saw that a while back, the makers of the Painkeep mode released a map makers kit which included custom entities. I'm having a heck of a time finding that kit. Does anyone here know where I can get it? 
No Color/texture Visable 
I've changes the func_train into a func_door because of the trouble Negke pointed out in #9361.
Everything is working fine, but the "lift" appears completely black. Could that be because it starts out being hidden ? 
Yes 
Objects will be lit where you position them to begin with.

Solid entities (lifts, doors, trains etc) do not cast a shadow during the light phase though, so in the case of a func_train you can position it wherever you like within the sealed map to get some light on it. It will then be re-located to the first path_corner entity when the map loads.

If its a lift (func_plat) then you need to put a light entity near it to light it in its first position (usually the fully "up" position).

Hope this helps 
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