Grid Account
#9185 posted by madfox on 2009/11/23 13:34:22
I use Quark63. It took quiet long before I could sahape a terrain map.
I don't use a terraineditor. Maybe a silly way I come up with.
I started with a triangle brush. Made it as precise I could. As long nothing happens to the brush it stands on grid with integers.
Then I turn the grid to 1 and force the outcorners to the 1 grid point. Of course the origin of the brush gets disordered so I have to force the whole brush into grid again.
That's my startpoint with terrain mapping and it compiled well.
Now I can make a terrainmap of all the triangle brushes. All goes well untill I lift the outpoints of the brush to level it with another brush.
From there the two outcomes appear in Quark.
Some brushes after distorted flip to a decimal but after resizing the brush with 1 the force to grid puts it exact 1 gridpoint aside. So I can easily rearange it untill it fits its origin.
Others get distorted and will never line up with the others. They will fit on x and y-axe but not in the lenght.
So I was thinking. Maybe I shoul force to grid only on a 8 or 16 grid.
#9186 posted by Spirit on 2009/11/23 14:53:04
The wonders of QuArK. This is just normal behaviour from my experience...
Terrain
#9187 posted by Mike Woodham on 2009/11/23 15:15:05
I am no terrain expert and it is difficult to make suggestions without knowing what you are trying to achieve. But... if you are doing anything on a large scale, then use a terrain generator and do all (most) of the modelling in that and then import it into the editor.
I did a large lump of terrain in FMB-BDG in the form of a cavern. It was over 1000 units in each direction made up a few thousand triangles of 64 units. It took about 30 minutes to do in the generator - I dread to think what it would have taken in the editor.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5075/fmbbdg16bu3.jpg
You can probably make it out in this screenshot.
When I had finished, I ran the BspEditor Brush Merge and got it down to about 900 brushes (from memory).
Well I Use The Folloing Method:
#9188 posted by RickyT33 on 2009/11/23 17:54:10
1 - select the brush tool, set it to "wedge" shaped (triangular prism)
2 - select a suitable texture
3 - quicky make about 4 or 5 wedge shaped brushes
4 - in the "top" view I use the vertex editing tool to move the corners of the brushes into whatever shape I want, usually on a grid not smaller than 16x16
5 - I switch to a "side" view and move the verticle edges of the prisms up and down to shape my terrain
Notes:
Nothing ever goes off grid. The editor is set to "snap to grid" and whatever the grid size may be, the points of my brushes snap to them.
Aligning the textures better is as easy as selecting my brushes and setting the attributes back to 0 (i.e. rotation, movement x, movement y, x scale, y scale), then click a button which says "to world", which tends to look OK.
You can use this method to make overhanging rocks and other intricate shapes.
It is quite time consuming but looks good in the end!
Terrain
#9189 posted by Mike Woodham on 2009/11/23 20:36:05
I've just checked that old map and the cavern is 3000 x 3000 x 800 high.
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#9190 posted by PuLSaR on 2009/11/24 11:48:20
Is there anything similar to aquire's engine for q2? I was messing with q2 map, just made the first area, nothing special so far, 2 entities (start and light), but when i load it to the engine, the game just freezes and i see q2 using 99% of cpu. Wtf?
#9191 posted by necros on 2009/11/24 19:56:40
i couldn't get the standard q2 engine to run either. there's quake2 xp and quake2 evolved that i know of.
#9192 posted by PuLSaR on 2009/11/24 21:16:41
Quake2 envolved doesn't run it either
I Want To Know
#9193 posted by meTch on 2009/11/27 16:12:22
but i dont want to peruse 9192 posts for the answer
how do you make monsters not move or attack even with the player right in front?
i tired clip brushes and making secret trigger button but those didn't work :?
#9194 posted by ijed on 2009/11/27 16:15:46
Put them inside a func_wall made out of clip brushes, but whose corners (BBOX extents) have a tiny normal brush inside.
Those normal brushes tell Quake that the clip brushes are there.
Then remove the func_wall when you want them to be active.
Never actually tried it, but should work.
Hmm
#9195 posted by meTch on 2009/11/27 16:53:36
are the non clip brushes supposed to be in the Func_wall or out of it, because it dosent work when there in it and when they're out i get this error:
*** ERROR 13: Line 2131: Entity with no valid brushes or textures
1 warning
Elapsed time : 0:00
Peak memory used : 1.8 MB
!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!
Build failed, because it did not create the (+BSP) file: C:\Users\alex\Desktop\q
uake\tmpQuArK\.\maps\mstart.BSP
#9196 posted by JneeraZ on 2009/11/27 19:16:43
That's why he said to include a tiny, real brush somewhere within the func_wall entity. Quake won't complain if you have at least something in the entity with a texture on it. Hide it in the map itself by making sure it's inside of a wall or something.
Yep
#9197 posted by ijed on 2009/11/28 01:47:37
Circular Jump Pads
#9198 posted by negke on 2009/11/28 16:31:38
Remember those wicked jumppads in some Q3 maps that had you fly in a curve? The same is possible in Quake. Pretty obvious, but I only just thought of it again.
Take a look at this test map: http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/pushtest.zip
The trick basically involves pushing the player towards a curved clip surface that determines the direction of the flight. The clip curve has to be fairly smooth so the player doesn't fall down prematurely. In the test map the small jump (1/4 of a circle) has 8 faces, the large one (3/4 of a circle) has 24. The map is pretty crude (but you'll get the idea) - it takes some experimenting with the pitch angle and the push speed. The larger such a push is (radius and distance), the uglier it becomes, because the clip wall and the pitch have to be a lot higher.
Now there aren't really that many situations where such a push would be useful. Imagine perhaps a castle with push-connected towers. Or a deathmatch map, although then one has to take into cosideration that NQ and QW handle the speed values in different ways.
At any rate, such a push can at least make for some funny wheee! effects.
Hmm
#9199 posted by nonentity on 2009/11/28 20:12:31
What about making a map where you fly along wind tunnels between different rooms and use keys to unlock new tunnels? Mebe with some water. And in brown...
Like...
#9200 posted by JPL on 2009/11/29 12:58:50
... antedeluvian map ?
QuArK And Changing Entities
#9201 posted by meTch on 2009/11/30 19:13:37
i has...have these new stuff in my progs that need entities placements on the map, but im finding that when i add an entitiy like ambient_drone i can't changeit, to something like ambient_front242. but i remeber doing it before somehow :S
the only solution i have is to edit it in the .map with a text editor but i find this somewhat of an out of the way solution
...i wonder if this makes sense
Or
#9202 posted by madfox on 2009/11/30 21:06:59
why don't you just add the entity,
click on the object list,
and change your classname to monster_xxx?
Oh...your Progs.dat
#9203 posted by madfox on 2009/11/30 21:08:14
search and replace function?
Ya You Had It
#9204 posted by meTch on 2009/11/30 21:23:45
quark won't let me change classnames and i don't know why is what i meant with that paragraph and a half
and its kind of annoying because i could do it before i think
#9205 posted by Spirit on 2009/11/30 22:13:09
QuArK lets you change classnames easily. Either slow double left click in the tree or edit in the detail view.
State File Does Not Match Portal File
#9206 posted by Ron on 2009/12/03 09:44:16
A VIS error I could not find any documentation about. Does anyone here know what it means ?
It's a real error, not just a warning, no VIS is preformed.
Ron:
#9207 posted by metlslime on 2009/12/03 09:57:30
probably vis is trying to finish a partially-completed job, but you've changed the bsp since then. I think you'd just need to delete the state file, but i don't know what the filename would be (never used that feature myself.)
#9208 posted by Ron on 2009/12/03 11:18:38
I didn't know about this feature at all.
Anyway, reading your reply made try and just rename the map,that worked ! Thanks !
I've just switched to the WC 3.33 version so I might come back with some dumb questions later ...
Surpsisingly...
#9209 posted by JPL on 2009/12/03 17:23:27
... aguirRe's tool tip does not mention this error :/
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