With Digital
#826 posted by aguirRe on 2004/11/14 12:13:09
I meant in an on/off sort of way, or too high-contrast. You have strong sunlight directly from zenith next to pitch-black (no minlight level) areas. With sunlight at a lower angle and utilizing outdoor/indoor minlight, brushwork becomes less flat and more 3D.
Tedious was perhaps a too strong word, but I felt limited in movement as there was only one way through it. I found the LG and it was pretty much essential for me to pass the first shambler ...
The passage would just need some bubbles to indicate its presence, otherwise it was fine.
I also want to say thanks for keeping up the SM tradition, hopefully more mappers can contribute further on.
About The Lighting
#827 posted by HeadThump on 2004/11/14 13:36:00
I find this to be a useful rule of thumb, the more complex the geometry the more stark you can get away with making your shadows when enhancing its 3-Dimensionality, and counterwise, the simpler the geometry the more you may want to soften the shadows to achieve the illusion of depth.
Of course, it isn't a matter of right and wrong. Schools of art approach shadowing differently. The Spanish Masters used highly contrasting shadows to give a stark feel to their work and the Dutch Masters used soft, 'foggy' shadowing for the affected mood of their art.
Hahaha.
#828 posted by Shambler on 2004/11/14 15:27:26
So....there's 3 or more spawn down there, you can't see jack shit because of the water, and they're all bouncing about furiously trying to get up to you. So the only way to do it is stand on the edge, randomly shooting down. And then, they explode in your face.
No, sorry, it simply doesn't work.
I Didn't Say
#829 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/11/14 15:34:38
shoot randomly, I said shoot THEM. As in, THE SPAWN. :O
...Shambler...
...jump in the water, shoot the fishes, wake the spawns, shoot the first one, it'll take off the 2nd exploding inside the tunnel... done. No health lost in the process. ;))
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#831 posted by necros on 2004/11/16 12:26:23
impulse 9.
noclip into the water.
god.
lightning gun.
shoot.
;)
Necros:
#832 posted by - on 2004/11/16 13:55:13
you forgot impulse 255, that's very important for a delicate situation like this.
SM91: Black Coffee
#833 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/11/16 14:29:11
This week I thought it'd be fun to speedmap in the same style of one of my favorite DM maps: Black Coffee by Drannerz. Not my favorite because of gameplay or anything, just mood, style, layout and architecture. So...
Theme: Black Coffee (SP or DM)
When: Saturday, November 20th, 2004, 3:00 PM Central
Where: gamesurge.irc.net, #speedq1
If you even attempt this most daring of challenges, then brownie points for you. If you attempt AND complete it, then send it on over to zerglingxx@ameritech.net or zerglingxx@operamail.com so I can strap everything up in one nice package.
If you plan on participating but not on Saturday, let me know beforehand so I don't go ahead and release my map by its lonesome. It hates being alone. :(
I should have the .wad in Q1 format by end of the week, probably later today.
DRANZDM6.wad
#834 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/11/16 14:34:44
SM91
#835 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/11/20 17:40:03
Two maps, one by me, one by FMB superstar Mike Woodham who made an AWESOME map. Couple really great moments in there. PLAY NOW YOU MONKEY PEOPLE.
http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org/files/sm91_pack.zip
Hey Zwiffle...
#836 posted by - on 2004/11/20 19:27:10
maybe it's about time to submit a news story about the last few weeks or so of speedmap packs to let everyone know that it's still going and show off the stuff. Would be good to get all the links to the last few weeks of packs together.
Right, Scampie...
...btw, this week's maps ROCK! Thanks, guys.
Both Maps
#838 posted by Megazoid on 2004/11/21 15:27:10
Are excellent. Took me loads of tries on both (good sign). Nice work guys.
I Thought
#839 posted by mwh on 2004/11/21 17:46:24
sm91_zwiffle was a bit "fighting optional". Still pretty cool, though it probably suffered from being compared to sm91_fmb, which was just absurdly good for a speedmap :)
Not So Speedy Map
#840 posted by Mike Woodham on 2004/11/21 17:57:34
Copy of original ReadMe file...
Prefabs of arches taken from Dranzdm6
Wad from Dranzdm6
Prefab build: 15 minutes
Other walls: 75 minutes
Lighting: 60 minutes
Monsters: 30 minutes
Buttons etc: 35 minutes
Compiles: 20 minutes
Playtesting: 30 minutes
It's no good, I cannot do anything in 100 minutes.
I've now got a headache and a HOM effect that I have no time to deal with.
Not To Worry
#841 posted by Hrimfaxi on 2004/11/21 18:08:06
A lot of speedmaps in the past has taken a lot longer that 100 mins. Some of mine took more like 300 mins and I'm aware that this applies to other maps as well.
I wanted to make a map this week as well and sat down friday to make it. Well the map grew and grew so saturday morning I continued the map and then again this sunday morning. Well now it's done, I'm waiting for vis to finish it's work (still 8 hours left) and then I will release it in this thread although I can't call it a speedmap, but it is in theme and was started as such.
So speedmaps are not always so speedy.
Mine
#842 posted by Zwiffle on 2004/11/21 18:34:53
Took about 150 minutes. Total compile/light/vis was around 5 minutes. Still, Woodham's was exceptionally good for its build time.
A Late Cup Of Cappuccino!
#843 posted by Hrimfaxi on 2004/11/22 05:26:35
As said above I made a map for the 91 speedmap pack. Well after three sessions and 19 hours of vis it is done.
Maybe I can't call it speedmap but it is a fatter, bigger brother to the two good maps in the sm91_pack.
Anyone that wants to try it can get it here:
http://www.hrimfaxi.dk/maps/cappuccino.zip
YYYYYYYYyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!
Hrimfaxi! You must be joking! This map is ridicolously good! It's Fantastic! Ya rule!
Oi
#845 posted by mwh on 2004/11/22 08:14:06
I'm really busy, I've just found MacNehahra and downloaded the associated four hour movie and all these cool maps keep appearing! Bah.
OMGx0r!!!!111one!!111!!!
#846 posted by Shambler on 2004/11/22 10:09:41
Hrim, that is awesome. Great design, great gameplay. Only real problems are bugged messages (keys, buttons), and some build quality flaws. Very good as a Quake map let alone a speed-ish map.
W3rd!
Sm91_pack
#847 posted by aguirRe on 2004/11/22 10:38:44
Both are good maps but Zwiffle's had better gameplay due to Mike's having severe ammo shortage. After dying ten times in a row trying to axe the final shambler, I gave up and exited. With more shells, this would otherwise have been the better map. Mike's also had some HOMs that was causing flicker while playing.
Otherwise, nice theme and lighting. And like the others say, the 100 minute "rule" is more of a guideline; the main point is to have fun and produce something.
And Yes
#848 posted by aguirRe on 2004/11/22 10:44:55
Hrimfaxi keeps churning out quality maps with really impressive visuals.
/me runs off and loads up map ...
Bah....
#849 posted by Megazoid on 2004/11/22 10:52:30
Have to wait to get home to play this now. *mutter grumble*. Well at least I can post the news with a link to all three speed maps.
Hrim_91_cappuccino Speedrunning Potential.
#850 posted by Shambler on 2004/11/22 11:12:14
Normal route up air lift, kill/avoid ogres, multiple vore ball jump straight around to top level, down into pit for GK, back up again, GJ off something to reach top again, through tele to open bars, into next area, GJ to button and exit. May need to collect various armourages, possibly YA and Quad before going into pit for uber1337ness.
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