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@JPL - I made the pipe with GtkRadiant and the texture was straight aligned, but when I imported into Quark I had to make the parts of the bending line with each side apart.
And as the sides are not trunked (\_/ in stead of \/) I got mixed up with double texture. Is your advice for Quark or Radiant? @drWho - right, I never had problems with quark, only when I have to texture and the texeditor as wel as the 3D screen get meshed out white with every movement. @shambler - thanks for your support. Just chiming in to say that calling Anon!Trinca "drWho" gives me some hilarious mental images.
Looks like a caveman searching for zombies.
Pics are a little dark to see, but then again, quake is dark. I always turn up the contrast and brightness for showing screenshots. It can ruin the impression but also better to have a better view. Almost part of the vertical map. that is so awesomely oldskool; it looks like a long-lost relic from the cdrom.com era. love the dark shadows. can't wait to play it!
And it probably took you a second to do that too :p
The third shot (original post) bothers me. I feel that any depth/shape in the ceiling is lost because of the lighting or texturing. I can see that it curves, but everything just blends together so well that it feels like a wasted visual aspect. Something needs to break up the texture or something, while possibly also following the same curve could help? shots look fine on my monitor, pretty moody stuff but brushwork looks a little too basic.
Calibrate your monitor jpl! how different people's monitor setups are. The ones that rj posted look way too washed out on mine for example whereas the originals show up fine.
I envy you mappers trying to get lighting right. The original screenshot are indeed a bit dark, but only a bit. The modified screeshot looks like sh*t, they are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy washed out.
But I think the map will be nice, it has that oldschool feeling and it might be very creepy. Can't wait for it :) the original shots were just pure black with flame models in them.
thanks rj, couldn't be bothered to run them through gimp. :P also: of course they look washed out after rj's brightened them; there was hardly any colour information to begin with. the best way to calibrate a screenshot in a scientific way is by looking at the levels in proper image editing software. ...thanks in anyway rj...
Else the shots are washed-out indeed, but at least they are not dark anymore. Shot 1: looks nice, just need more details: I would have put light_torch_long_walltorch Quoth like stuff instead of small torches on the wall... Maybe small torches on the central pillars.. though...could be better. Shot 2: wow, really weird... walls are too flat IMHO. You should add more details to make them more "real" like visible broken stones, horizontal impaled dead bodies, etc.. or just hide the flatness with a little bit of fog.. Shot 3: This area is kinda cool ! I would see it with some fog, and plenty of Zombies... You could also want to add details on the ground, or simply add a little bit of water there (like in a underground drown cave).. Madfox: keep it up ! i actually like the lack of modernisation (details, quoth models, fog, attenuated light etc) purely because it's been a long while since i've seen a new map that really evokes that 1996 lost-in-the-past feeling. i wouldn't judge every map by those criteria but for this one in particular, the unpolished look suits it.
Calibration in terms of this stuff is not that hard. Tweak your monitor until the id levels look right to you. Then make your levels look good on those settings. :)
ppl always complained about my maps beeing too dark. I just love it, imho it gives atmosphere ^^
My Monitor is set to max brightness, wile the rest of the room is dark, guess thats the reason. But it isnt final, i will tweak it later on. I'm not yet sure how much detail i will add, want a mix of quake/diablo/dungeon keeper feeling. quakis: thought that too, any ideas? The map is not too dark, only the shots are. There's a considerable difference between in-game lighting and how it looks on screenshots.
As a rule of thumb, screenshots of any remotely dark area need to have their brightness and contrast (<- important to keep them from looking too washed out) increased by 15 and 20% (in PS anyway) to work better on darker monitor setups and CRT. TFT screens are often brighter by nature, so it's not obvious until people start complaining. yeah I don't know if it's luck or pure skill, but those shots, 1&3 particularly, really evoke the best kind of weird old quake feelings in my heart.
Either way good luck!
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