"You don't go to a music shop and cry censorship if they don't have some random CD you're looking for. "

No, but you WOULD cry if they had it and then dropped it and told you they refused to carry it. 

I wouldn't. I WOULD think "Ah balls, they stopped stocking it (for obvious reasons), I'll have to go elsewhere".

File under rocket science etc etc. 

Eh, easy to say that. In reality, I imagine you'd complain or at least ask them what the hell was going on. 

I'm not saying people shouldn't complain, let them complain, that's what humans do best, just calling it censorship to me seems completely over-dramatic. The game would still come out, there would still be plenty of places online to buy it, honestly these kinds of stories are pretty much more marketing for them at this point.

It's not so clear if Valve want to really curate what goes on Steam or not, but if they do that's their right, it's their platform.

Talos Principle is still cool by the way, you guys should go buy that instead! 

"Valve was right in the first place, the game looks a pile of pointless puerile attention-grabbing shit specifically to appeal to angsty teenage morons, it should have been removed and stayed removed on the grounds of quality control if nothing else. "

For me this game appeals in the same way over the top trashy gorefest slaughter horror movies do. It is to me hand in hand with that heavy metal/trashy horror movie culture. Like it or don't this culture has been around a fair while and its staying. I can give you a host of movies in faaaar worse taste than this game.

Its niche and its not your niche. It therefore sure is not for you or any other unconcerned pundits to decide if this game should be canned, not sold, not made or whatever!
Seriously there will always be other people that find what you are into, whatever it is, just as fucking offensive.
There goes the mob again.


I agree with Bal though this is nothing to do with censorship. Censorship is something else.
Whatever this was with Steam was not about "censorship".

Gabe has values, Greenlight is about giving gaming communities of all sorts a place to show their interest in a game and show their desire to see it published.

And specifically Shambler, I thought you were a bit cleverer than that : "Valve was right in the first place....on the grounds of quality control if nothing else."
So because of the perceived QUALITY of the game ? As in graphics, mechanics, etc ? Those were good grounds ??
Then they have a good couple 100 games to take down from Greenlight and you fucking know it you ponce.

Greenlight is about giving the quality control decisions to the public, removing it from the company that cannot understand diversity of what the whole gaming public wants. 

Or rather, the lack of any quality in the concept.

Oooooh look an attention grabbing deliberately provocative take on "murder simulators".

HOW EXCITING. HOW CUTTING-EDGE. HOW THOUGHT-PROVOKINGLY AVANT-GARDE.

Not.

Offensive? Only in the stupidity and juvenility of that concept. It's embarassingly beggy. 

WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE AVANT GARDE OR ANYTHING AT ALL ?? you ponce.

On a more serious note you are seeing way too much into it Shambler

I dont think its trying to be edgy goddamnit. Its just fucking misanthropic fun!

Jesus the devs never pretended any kind of "smartness" to what they are doing...
Just STUPID VILE NASTY FUN! FUCK YEAH!!! 

Taken from the very reputable source, Wikipedia:

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

I don't really want to turn this into a thing. I see removing Hatred as a soft censorship mainly because it was removed due to the content being "objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect." In other words, someone at Valve didn't like it, so they pulled it. I'm not saying they can't or don't have the right as a company to police their platform, they most certainly do, just that this practice bothers me.

There are plenty of over-the-top, violent, gory games which haven't been pulled, so pulling Hatred seemed like a weird move. 

STUPID VILE NASTY FUN! FUCK YAWN!!! 

As I said, not your niche Shambler 

If my niche is "not stupid shite", then yes, you're correct :D 

You could change Killes' and Shambler's nicks and the discussion would not surprise anyone. 

I've grown out of my angsty teenage emo phase. 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/video-game-quickly-being-made-controversial-2014121893945 

The thing with the trashy horror movie comparison is the makers don't go to the top studios like Disney or WB to put it out. The real trashy ones, I'm thinking gore and torture horror here, probably just get put up on the internet and are self-published or some really small b-movie publisher. Hatred will need to do the same, or put more effort into the quality of the game because I didn't see anything interesting in their trailer other than the claim of a controversial idea. 

Personally I don't like torture porn like Hotel, I find that hard to stomach myself, heh, that's that and not really relevant :P

Kona you are right they self publish or use niche publishers.
Hatred is doing just that.
I don't understand your point really, did they reach out to a top studio ?

Greenlight is one of those things for games with small audiences/limited concepts as well as grander and deeper designs.

Its the whole point of greenlight - nevermind the game, if the public is there they will vote it up and it will get distributed on Steam (again as long as the game is legal)

It is #1 on Greenlight.
It was directly #7 before any of the greenlight removal/re-adding publicity.

That people cannot stomach that there are people desiring a game like this...all the while playing countless military shooters and whatnot...simply ridiculous and very very hypocritical. "Let me kill kill kill but hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" disgusting and truly a way more dangerous mindset than simple lunatic slaughter.

I want to play it to virtually kill in a more honest way - honest in its revelry in our savage violent murderous natures.
Its refreshing really, you know, to be truthful ?
Really there is nothing sicker than people pretending there is a morally excusable sort of killing and slaughter... 

That really doesn't need any further addendum. 

Actually reading it, I presume. 

I was considering Steam to be the top studio/publisher.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the real b-grade stuff either - I've seen tonnes of it, Guinea Pig and August Underground series for instance, but most of it is a fucking chore to watch. There are a few that are difficult to forget. Salo, Men behind the sun, a serbian film would be the best, but they all probably had more of a story/budget.

Anyway, back on topic, are there any games that have made killing innocent bystanders fun? I've never played GTA, but games like Dead Rising 2 weren't very good at this. More of a nuisance when they get in the way. 

was pretty good at it imho 

 

Alice: Madness Returns 7/10. Yeah good art style, but fuck the game drags on for too long with the same basic jumping puzzles throughout the entire thing. Also the early parts of the game are too difficult (I had great difficulty with one battle) compared to the later stages, which are piss easy. The upgraded weapons just shit on everything. Should have been a few hours shorter, and actually that last chapter was quite weak. Combat was a bit average too.

Tried The Haunted: Hells Reach, really cool levels and decent graphics, but it's just hordes charging at you for a set amount of time (survival mode I suppose you call that). I'm not playing an entire game in survival mode. That's worse than botmatches...

Which brings me to Brink. 6/10 at best. Man, I remember the videos of this and thinking how awesome it looked. Well sure it does look good, but what a shitty single player campaign. It's just botmatches with typical multiplayer tasks. Only the friendly bots are utterly useless cunts that never work as a team, and 10 mins of success can result in failure in 5 secs if your buddies decide to fuck off somewhere else instead of helping/healing you.

I had one where I'd been playing for 10 mins defending something (but much longer on previous tasks as well), got to 45s to go and I'm thinking sweet even if they started a hack, they couldn't get it done it 45 secs. I die, for the first time probably, and they start hacking. I then have 45 secs to get across the level, fail to make it, but the level doesn't finish, it goes into overtime and I'm still trying to get there in time because the hack is still going on! I fail to get there and have to start all over again. Where the hell were all the teammates, why do I have to do EVERYTHING MYSELF?

It clearly gets much harder as you level up. I ended up creating a new character so my levels were reset and just played the final few levels of each campaign, when it was still easy enough to succeed without being fucked over by almost impossible tasks. Like the missile hack. I put it on easy and still wasn't even close to completing it, on higher xp levels.

Might play cod mw3 next after these 3 disappointments :) 

If you haven't check out the first trailer on the steam page for Crawl : http://store.steampowered.com/app/293780

Trailer or not I will be trying it but man the trailer is awesome :D 

It's pretty fun coop, with a few friends, not so interesting alone (at least the version I played). 

Well Modern Warfare 3 was fun. I don't get all the hate these COD's get, this game has a 2.4 user score on Metacritic.

It's a linear military shooter, full of action, and it's really got no major flaws at doing this. The design and action, the combat and guns, it's all pretty much as good as anything else.

The story is a bit incohesive, the developers have gone back to respawning enemies until you reach waypoints, which turns this into a waypoint to waypoint game instead of actually shooting enemies. What else, the textures looked a bit low quality at times, I had to play with settings to get it looking better. The old quake engine needs an overhaul.

But it's just an annual game that Activision treat like any sports game that gets a new version every year - new story, new levels, but no new innovation. Seems like gamers just can't accept this.

8/10

Anyone played the newest COD yet? What's it like? I'm curious as to why they're calling it an action-adventure. COD is the opposite of an adventure game.