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But so is censorship, and removing Hatred from Greenlight really was just a form of censorship.
Back about Doom for those getting into the community content a very good place to start is the Cacowards, Doomworld's annual best of the year :
http://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/ Zwiffle you have no idea if its lame. Seriously we only have a shocker trailer for now, no clue as to anything else, story or not etc.
I bet if it wasn't in the books the dev team will be trying to make more out of it now than a simple sandbox NPC slaughter by now to shut people up :D Or it is the game is lame in any case just because its about rampaging...? That is was censorship is not the point I don't think. It was more that such a large and powerful entity in gaming such as Steam gets to off the bat make decisions like that regardless of what the gaming community concerned wants. Gabe understood this. If its not wanted it will get voted off Greenlight. As long as the content isn't plain illegal according to local laws then... Removing it from Greenlight was a bit stupid, refusing to have it up on Steam thought would not be censorship, it's their store and they can do whatever they want with it. You don't go to a music shop and cry censorship if they don't have some random CD you're looking for.
Game still looks stupid anyways. :) Blah blah censorship blah blah WHATEVER. Bal is completely correct it's not censorship at all and more than WHSmiths not stocking hardcore porn on the top shelf is not censorship.
Valve was right in the first place, the game looks a pile of pointless puerile attention-grabbing shit specifically to appeal to angsty teenage morons, it should have been removed and stayed removed on the grounds of quality control if nothing else. IIRC trailers are supposed to promote a game, highlight it's qualities, and generate interest??
Well the Hatred trailer certainly did that. It highlighted it well as looking like a complete turd - although the only interested in generated from me beyond the intial eye-rolling "meh" was a mild amused interest when it was Redlighted. Too much trying to rant about a game that is just below the threshold of giving a shit, too little coffee.
"You don't go to a music shop and cry censorship if they don't have some random CD you're looking for. "
No, but you WOULD cry if they had it and then dropped it and told you they refused to carry it. I wouldn't. I WOULD think "Ah balls, they stopped stocking it (for obvious reasons), I'll have to go elsewhere".
File under rocket science etc etc. Eh, easy to say that. In reality, I imagine you'd complain or at least ask them what the hell was going on.
I'm not saying people shouldn't complain, let them complain, that's what humans do best, just calling it censorship to me seems completely over-dramatic. The game would still come out, there would still be plenty of places online to buy it, honestly these kinds of stories are pretty much more marketing for them at this point.
It's not so clear if Valve want to really curate what goes on Steam or not, but if they do that's their right, it's their platform. Talos Principle is still cool by the way, you guys should go buy that instead! "Valve was right in the first place, the game looks a pile of pointless puerile attention-grabbing shit specifically to appeal to angsty teenage morons, it should have been removed and stayed removed on the grounds of quality control if nothing else. "
For me this game appeals in the same way over the top trashy gorefest slaughter horror movies do. It is to me hand in hand with that heavy metal/trashy horror movie culture. Like it or don't this culture has been around a fair while and its staying. I can give you a host of movies in faaaar worse taste than this game. Its niche and its not your niche. It therefore sure is not for you or any other unconcerned pundits to decide if this game should be canned, not sold, not made or whatever! Seriously there will always be other people that find what you are into, whatever it is, just as fucking offensive. There goes the mob again. I agree with Bal though this is nothing to do with censorship. Censorship is something else. Whatever this was with Steam was not about "censorship". Gabe has values, Greenlight is about giving gaming communities of all sorts a place to show their interest in a game and show their desire to see it published. And specifically Shambler, I thought you were a bit cleverer than that : "Valve was right in the first place....on the grounds of quality control if nothing else." So because of the perceived QUALITY of the game ? As in graphics, mechanics, etc ? Those were good grounds ?? Then they have a good couple 100 games to take down from Greenlight and you fucking know it you ponce. Greenlight is about giving the quality control decisions to the public, removing it from the company that cannot understand diversity of what the whole gaming public wants. Or rather, the lack of any quality in the concept.
Oooooh look an attention grabbing deliberately provocative take on "murder simulators". HOW EXCITING. HOW CUTTING-EDGE. HOW THOUGHT-PROVOKINGLY AVANT-GARDE. Not. Offensive? Only in the stupidity and juvenility of that concept. It's embarassingly beggy. WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE AVANT GARDE OR ANYTHING AT ALL ?? you ponce.
On a more serious note you are seeing way too much into it Shambler I dont think its trying to be edgy goddamnit. Its just fucking misanthropic fun! Jesus the devs never pretended any kind of "smartness" to what they are doing... Just STUPID VILE NASTY FUN! FUCK YEAH!!! Taken from the very reputable source, Wikipedia:
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions. I don't really want to turn this into a thing. I see removing Hatred as a soft censorship mainly because it was removed due to the content being "objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect." In other words, someone at Valve didn't like it, so they pulled it. I'm not saying they can't or don't have the right as a company to police their platform, they most certainly do, just that this practice bothers me. There are plenty of over-the-top, violent, gory games which haven't been pulled, so pulling Hatred seemed like a weird move. The thing with the trashy horror movie comparison is the makers don't go to the top studios like Disney or WB to put it out. The real trashy ones, I'm thinking gore and torture horror here, probably just get put up on the internet and are self-published or some really small b-movie publisher. Hatred will need to do the same, or put more effort into the quality of the game because I didn't see anything interesting in their trailer other than the claim of a controversial idea.
Personally I don't like torture porn like Hotel, I find that hard to stomach myself, heh, that's that and not really relevant :P
Kona you are right they self publish or use niche publishers. Hatred is doing just that. I don't understand your point really, did they reach out to a top studio ? Greenlight is one of those things for games with small audiences/limited concepts as well as grander and deeper designs. Its the whole point of greenlight - nevermind the game, if the public is there they will vote it up and it will get distributed on Steam (again as long as the game is legal) It is #1 on Greenlight. It was directly #7 before any of the greenlight removal/re-adding publicity. That people cannot stomach that there are people desiring a game like this...all the while playing countless military shooters and whatnot...simply ridiculous and very very hypocritical. "Let me kill kill kill but hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" disgusting and truly a way more dangerous mindset than simple lunatic slaughter. I want to play it to virtually kill in a more honest way - honest in its revelry in our savage violent murderous natures. Its refreshing really, you know, to be truthful ? Really there is nothing sicker than people pretending there is a morally excusable sort of killing and slaughter...
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