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ops, guess i got it! is the skills settings :| 
Let's Do Some VIS Benchmarking. 
BSP and Light are the quick tools where VIS can take a "while" to complete. I am kinda interested how the VIS speed differs on different machines, so I prepared some stuff:

http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/bench_koohoo.bsp
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/bench_koohoo.prt

Put these two into the same directory and run vis bench_koohoo. Then post the time it took here, including your machine's specs (CPU and RAM would be the interesting bits I guess). If you are not using aguirRe's latest Vis ( http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/ ) please also mention that (and make sure to use level 4).
It should take about 20-30 minutes, probably much less. Try not to do anything else during that time on your PC. Just browsing around on the internet added 10% to my vis time.
Thanks to Vondur for his steamy swampy map.


My results:
Pentium-M 1.2GHz, 2GB Ram (400MHz I think), Debian Lenny.
Through Wine: 18:32
gb's port: 18:02

Pentium III-M(?) 1GHz, 256MB Ram, Windows XP
Vis: 25:49

Don't forget to use the original .bsp file if you are doing several runs (which might be a good idea). 
I'm Really Interested To Hear What Willems Multi Core 
vis tool does with this....

Ill post some results in a while... 
 
I won't be able to try until the morning at the earliest. I'll try to remember though. 
 
OK - heres my effort - XP32 C2D 6750 @ 2.66 GHz (2 cores in processor, but I guess it only used one...?)


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Rick>cd c:\quake\id1\maps

C:\Quake\Id1\maps>vis bench_koohoo
---- Vis 2.31 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

Base: 0.0%, Elapsed: 0:00
Base: 100.0%, Elapsed: 0:05

Full: 0.0%, Elapsed: 0:00
Full: 30.4%, Elapsed: 0:10
Full: 35.7%, Elapsed: 0:20, Left: 2:04, Total: 2:24, 13%
Full: 38.1%, Elapsed: 0:30, Left: 2:41, Total: 3:11, 15%
Full: 41.4%, Elapsed: 0:40, Left: 3:23, Total: 4:03, 16%
Full: 43.5%, Elapsed: 0:50, Left: 3:36, Total: 4:26, 18%
Full: 45.2%, Elapsed: 1:00, Left: 3:54, Total: 4:54, 20%
Full: 47.0%, Elapsed: 1:10, Left: 4:48, Total: 5:58, 19%
Full: 48.7%, Elapsed: 1:20, Left: 4:59, Total: 6:19, 21%
Full: 50.8%, Elapsed: 1:30, Left: 4:21, Total: 5:51, 25%
Full: 52.9%, Elapsed: 1:40, Left: 3:56, Total: 5:36, 29%
Full: 53.9%, Elapsed: 1:51, Left: 4:39, Total: 6:30, 28%
Full: 55.1%, Elapsed: 2:01, Left: 5:28, Total: 7:29, 27%
Full: 56.5%, Elapsed: 2:11, Left: 6:21, Total: 8:32, 25%
Full: 58.1%, Elapsed: 2:21, Left: 4:56, Total: 7:17, 32%
Full: 59.1%, Elapsed: 2:32, Left: 5:22, Total: 7:54, 32%
Full: 60.2%, Elapsed: 2:42, Left: 5:36, Total: 8:18, 32%
Full: 61.2%, Elapsed: 2:56, Left: 7:15, Total: 10:11, 28%
Full: 62.6%, Elapsed: 3:06, Left: 5:49, Total: 8:55, 34%
Full: 63.8%, Elapsed: 3:16, Left: 5:30, Total: 8:46, 37%
Full: 64.8%, Elapsed: 3:26, Left: 4:49, Total: 8:15, 41%
Full: 66.4%, Elapsed: 3:36, Left: 4:24, Total: 8:00, 45%
Full: 67.4%, Elapsed: 3:46, Left: 4:36, Total: 8:22, 44%
Full: 68.4%, Elapsed: 3:57, Left: 4:37, Total: 8:34, 46%
Full: 69.7%, Elapsed: 4:07, Left: 4:50, Total: 8:57, 45%
Full: 71.2%, Elapsed: 4:17, Left: 3:55, Total: 8:12, 52%
Full: 72.2%, Elapsed: 4:27, Left: 3:41, Total: 8:08, 54%
Full: 73.7%, Elapsed: 4:37, Left: 3:17, Total: 7:54, 58%
Full: 75.0%, Elapsed: 4:47, Left: 3:21, Total: 8:08, 58%
Full: 76.5%, Elapsed: 4:57, Left: 2:43, Total: 7:40, 64%
Full: 77.7%, Elapsed: 5:07, Left: 2:47, Total: 7:54, 64%
Full: 79.3%, Elapsed: 5:18, Left: 2:23, Total: 7:41, 68%
Full: 80.7%, Elapsed: 5:28, Left: 2:18, Total: 7:46, 70%
Full: 83.0%, Elapsed: 5:38, Left: 1:37, Total: 7:15, 77%
Full: 84.7%, Elapsed: 5:48, Left: 1:25, Total: 7:13, 80%
Full: 86.0%, Elapsed: 5:58, Left: 1:18, Total: 7:16, 82%
Full: 87.1%, Elapsed: 6:08, Left: 1:32, Total: 7:40, 79%
Full: 89.3%, Elapsed: 6:18, Left: 1:09, Total: 7:27, 84%
Full: 91.2%, Elapsed: 6:28, Left: 0:51, Total: 7:19, 88%
Full: 93.1%, Elapsed: 6:38, Left: 0:34, Total: 7:12, 92%
Full: 94.5%, Elapsed: 6:48, Left: 0:31, Total: 7:19, 92%
Full: 95.6%, Elapsed: 6:58, Left: 0:29, Total: 7:27, 93%
Full: 96.9%, Elapsed: 7:08, Left: 0:25, Total: 7:33, 94%
Full: 97.9%, Elapsed: 7:18, Left: 0:18, Total: 7:36, 96%
Full: 99.5%, Elapsed: 7:28, Left: 0:03, Total: 7:31, 99%
Full: 100.0%, Elapsed: 7:31, Left: 0:00, Total: 7:31, 100%

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 7:38

C:\Quake\Id1\maps> 
 
Could you please post it again with -verbose 
Ha Ha Funny Bastard 
 
 
My Macbook Pro is reporting 8:25. It's a dual core 2.33 GHz with 2GB RAM. Kind of an older machine. 
Trinca 
Yeah, it's skill settings and the NOT_DM spawnflag (2048) 
Left 4 Dead Mapping 
Since this game is fun to play and looks like it will be a lot of fun to map for, I was thinking of getting started sometime soon. Does anyone have any info about how to map for it? Since it just came out there doesn't seem to be a lot of info right now. Has anyone got the SDK to work with L4D assets yet? Anyone else thinking of making a map? 
 
Spirit

Xp SP2 P4 2.8 512 RAM

---- Vis 2.30 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 14:02
State time : 0:01 
Heh, Your Times Are Mean Compared To Mine 
I was so annoyed by searching "that file" so often that I just created http://www.quaddicted.com/tools/
Suggestions and links to more tools are very welcome.

(And now I just realised I should make the wads integrated like that too.) 
Oops 
I am still uploading tools... 
Spirit 
Nemesis' terrain generator
GenSurf
PAK Explorer
TexMex
WinPack 
Koohoo - Vistest 
---- Vis 2.30 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: ./maps/bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 11:07
State time : 0:01


P4 3.4 Ghz - WinXp - 1024 RAM 
Bench_Koohoo Vis 
---- Vis 2.31 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 13:29
State time : 0:01


Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz HT, 2.5 Gigs of RAM, Windows Vista Home Premium. 
Trains 
Hey, I've pretty much never used trains. Or at least, very little, and not for a long time. I want to have a train start at a point, then, when triggered by a trigger_multiple, go on a path, and then return to its original point until triggered once more. How should I set that up? I'm sure it's simple enough but it doesn't seem to work as planned. 
Bench_koohoo - Vis Test 
---- Vis 2.31 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 14:57
State time : 0:01

P4 2.4, 768mb ram, xp sp2 
JPL 
Cheers!
Can't find or download GenSurf and WinPack. Do you have working links? GenSurf is hosted at stupid atomicgamer and the links are dead. 
Spirit 
I will send you the files through email: both do not need installers ;)
If I remeber well, WinPack allow to dive into Packs, but not to create them (not like PakExplorer...).. and GenSurf is weird to use.. I never used it for my maps, just for tests, and I personnaly prefer Nemesis' tool... 
Drew 
Such a setup is not actually possible in standard quake, at least not allowing the sequence to be retriggered an indefinite number of times. You would have to use a custom mod like hipnotic or custents or quoth to do so. 
Train Line 
On a related note, I've got a question about func_rotate_train from the hipnotic source code....yeah, that monster.

Normally to make a func_rotate_train rotate to a specific angle on arrival at a point, you would set the second spawnflag on the destination path_rotate, and then set "angles" on that entity to the desired angle.
However, suppose you want the func_rotate_train to "rotate in place", that is reach a path_rotate, then rotate without also moving anywhere, before moving to another waypoint once the rotation completes.

You hit a problem: to do this you have to put the second waypoint(the one containing the rotation instruction) in the same location as first one. The result of this (which I can understand after reading the code) is that the train doesn't stay still to complete the rotation, it in fact completes the rotation as it travels to the third waypoint.

So my question: is there another way of setting up the path_rotates to facilitate this kind of motion(func_train_rotating a fixed arc at a waypoint without moving otherwise)? Or is it an oversight in the code which deserves fixing? A few "Preach, I have no bleeding idea" replies would assure me it's the latter. Alternatively, convince me that even if there is another way of doing it, the fact that the setup I describe does not work is a bug to be fixed. 
 
---- Vis 2.31 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

File: bench_koohoo.bsp
3381 portalleafs
9565 numportals
testlevel = 4

average leafs visible: 163
max leafs visible: 424 near (2496 1024 128)
c_chains: 41037083
visdatasize: 146 kb compressed from 1396 kb

Elapsed time : 7:29

AMD X2 6000+
2BG ram @667Mhz 5-5-5-21 cr2 XD )
Vista32

So whos got the longest penis 
Ubuntu 8.10 Is 1 Second Slower 
Elapsed time : 7:30 
 
sorry

Vista32:
7:29

Ubuntu+wine is
7:30

gbs port is
7:38

unexpected result 
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