Which is what forums like this are for :]

However, I imagine there will be enough Internet Drama around the game that it will actually increase the game visibility, which isn't something I'd like to promote by posting elsewhere.

My opinion of the game is that I'm more offended by the mindlessness than the violence. It looks bad, I don't think they deserve to do well so will avoid talking about it any more.

But maybe there is more life in the conversation of talking about talking about it. 

I guess this game offends me because it looks boring? Do you just walk around killing for as long as you can? Is that really the entirety of the gameplay? 

I'm sure there's micro trans. Don't worry. 

man can handle. I can appreciate the thrill of being 'bad', and thus I have time for some games that plumb these depths. There is a line though. Some games are on the other side of that line. I heard about a Japanese game where the player had to rape young girls, for example.

I'll throw it out there though - as an atheist of sorts, I don't believe in your divine morality, I believe that if there is a god it's the god of 'self'. Sentience itself is something we all have, and it is both everything and nothing at the same time. It's also the thing that allows us to relate in any way to the idea of gods.
I am going somewhere with this....

Black humor! Unless you are prepared to trust yourself to make your own moral decisions you might find the idea of being the bad guy, watching digital people being hurt because of your actions to be frightening on some level. Or as something to be avoided. But there is humor in inappropriateness. I can sometimes 'get it'. But we all have our own limits. 

1. Please don't make assumptions about my views on games I haven't even played.

2. Scarecrow said it best.

3. What's an "atheist of sorts"? 

Thanks for pointing out our collective moral hypocrisy. Good to see that there are people smart enough to recognize it and to make us aware of it. 

it looks "boring" and "mindless" because of its central design (ie just kill people)? 

 

It looks boring... but there are probably other mechanics that aren't shown in the demo because game mechanics clearly aren't the selling point of this game. 

The press haven't had a really appropriate game to show footage of during their stories about how video games are intended to warp your children into psychopaths for a while now, I think this is a positive thing for journalism 

SleepwalkR : You said the game looks disgusting. Well it is.
Beyond that I did not assume anything from you. I am commenting on the general indignation in reactions.

Scar3crow
"All of these are for the sake of the thrill of competition, of resource management, of exploration, of drama and big stories, of witnessing grand events safely from your home."
I think these descriptors can be applied to the Hatred dudes killing spree.

"They aren't for the sake of killing, and the gore isn't for the sake of violence alone. Those are feedback systems, I like getting a kill in a game because it meant I outsmarted the AI, the mapper, or another player. "
-I don't know why it is assumed Hatred would be a simple walk in the park mowing down resistanceless civilians a la Carmageddon. Postal1 was fucking hard. -If that were the games idea they could dispense with it all and just put you in a room to execute civilians, or maybe Auschwitz or North Korean camp simulator 2015 or something.

"In modern military games you are usually the good guy fighting aggressive willing armed combatants, except in cases of changing perspective for dramatic effect - and usually this is lampooned as hamfisted and lame. "

You are American Scar3crow right ? I think that is enough said. Or maybe not. If you can convince yourself your virtual armys invasion of the country is "good and holy" I think someone could convince themselves virtual Hatred dudes spree is good and holy too.
We could also make him lie about motives to justify a murderous intrusion into other peoples lives. Or set up a true background story

It would be easy to introduce a narrative in Hatred for this.
Lets say his wife was a black woman lynched by this towns mob, and his retarded or simply different kid was mercilessly bullied at school and pushed to suicide, the bank repossessed his home, medial care was cruelly denied ultimately due to greed, letting his mental issues spin out of control - Not that by now people think he needs mental issues to be extremely pissed off. We can pile on that story and bring out the violins till a tear runs down your cheek for this guy before he goes on his spree.

I think its fascinating how at this time in point there is none of these justifications put forth. Fascinating is what it is bringing out in people.
Maybe there is a backstory in the game. Maybe there is none. Doesn't matter right now for the debates.

In the end of it all - any moral "justifications" for killing and severe violences are plain and simply TOXIC and you are just fucking wrong not to perceive that and to go on some crusade about this game or form of violence being worse than an another. Fucking. Hypocrite.


Live your life right, play and make whatever the fuck you want to matter how depraved. I believe its an outlet for our seriously fucked natures. It belongs best in a virtual world. This is where we need to compartmentalize the bad, not in the real world as you see it done. And that is what you are doing playing Doom, Cod, Battlefield, whatever the fuck. Telling yourself otherwise, that you are a "better" creature than another, PFAH!

Its how you behave that matters. Going holier than thou on people in this way scar3crow...just no mate. 

Seems like it should be. Hick! 

I couldn't play SOF cos of the kills... Always preferred the decidedly unreal worlds of Doom and DNF. Jesus Doom 1 was amazing.

I believe its an outlet for our seriously fucked natures.

It's a bloody funny thing alright. I reckon the phenomena is very similar to swearing... so maybe we can solve that one first :) 

It seems to have as much depth as a puddle.

I tend to drop games pretty quickly if they can't hold my interest. Others, I'll play ad-infinitum if they can.

The central design seems to be chase people around spraying bullets, probably with the occasional opposition that will throw a few back your way. Top down games are all about behaviour patterns, the more you have, the better the game.

A top down game can also be polished, well balanced, look nice and so on, but if you're light on behavior types then that's your watermark of how engaging your game can be - no higher.

In the video a grand total of 1 is shown as far as I can see. And after you spend your budget on execution cinematics, there's not going to be much time for polish either. 

I think we are on the same page :)

I was trying to say the lack of depth might come about because of the central concept and so the two are linked, in response to your initial post that you didnt like the trailer because it looked 'boring' as opposed to 'disgusting'. 

Sorry but http://cursors.io/ (don't click if you don't have an hour or maybe even two) 

Didn't read any posts, but "whatever" is a fairly generous reply to the trailer, even "meh" is a more passionate response than I actually feel. 

https://www.change.org/p/ign-have-ryan-mccaffrey-admit-most-people-will-like-the-alien-isolation-game-just-not-him-otherwise-have-him-never-review-a-game-again

As an Englishman, and a scholar.

Ohterwise, it's LOL. 

I still don't get how you can have a single person writing and scoring a game on big sites like IGN. Everyone has different preferences. 

 

Who gives a piece of flying monkey poop? Just don't follow reviews of him if you disagree. Subjective reviews are awesome. 

To the violence debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_c3Nfjp04 

That's the same level of selective and opinionated rubbish like Sarkeesian's though. 

Does it matter that much anymore? With metacritic, it's easier to see a single review relative to everything else. 

You see what you want to see.