#7579 posted by Spirit on 2008/06/15 17:51:17
rj: http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/tooltips.txt has a whole part just about leaks and eliminating them. Good luck!
megaman: It's no different from an ogre but can be used to have infighting.
#7580 posted by negke on 2008/06/15 17:54:33
rj: Quite possibly portal(?)-related. Try changing the shape of the brush in question or delete/recreate it (so it's moved to be bottom of the .map file). Maybe running QBSP with -hull # might give a hint.
megaman: It's a regular Ogre minus the wakeup sound who can infight with monster_ogre. Isn't spawned in Quoth.
#7581 posted by rj on 2008/06/15 18:23:34
spirit, negke, thanks
i've been reading that textfile. the '-hull 2' option didn't seem to give any extra info; the pointfile just seemed to shoot up the wall instead (which was still solid to player & rockets). i've yet to try some of the other params but the '-leak 0' caught my attention; seems too much of an easy fix to be true.. what drawbacks arise from using it?
Oh Oh!
#7582 posted by Mike Woodham on 2008/06/15 18:39:52
BspEditor 0.95b:
File #1
7000+ brushes, .map file 70535 lines long, 3.542 meg, everything visible in editor.
File #2 - next saved version of #1
Added small number of brushes, .map file 70945 lines long, 3.564 meg, only 9 bruhes visible in editor, all Groups set to visible, Map Info says 9 brushes.
Any ideas?
No big deal as it was only about one hours work but I am curious.
Rj
#7583 posted by Orl on 2008/06/15 19:49:12
I had a ton of leaks similar to the one your describing in omlabx. The ones where they pass through a solid wall.
As negke mentioned, change the brush shape a bit and see if that fixes it. It may in some cases, and sometimes it won't.
But I found out the best guaranteed method to eliminate a leak like that is to place a hollow box around the brush on the outside of the map, where the leak is. It doesn't have to be a big box either, just enough to cover the bad brush up.
Orl..
#7584 posted by rj on 2008/06/16 01:38:10
cheers. managed to pinpoint it in the end by deliberately leaking another part of the map (so as to split hull 0 up & prevent the outsides from filling) then noclipping outside; turns out i could fall through the side wall and down into the level.. so built a bunch of brushes around it in a similar fashion to your suggestion and it seemed to work :-)
That
#7585 posted by ijed on 2008/06/16 03:53:47
Tends to happen when the centre point of the brush (an X in worldcraft) is near the edge of the brush. Splitting it into two brushes can help when you don't want to change it's shape.
In other news I've been getting brushes that delete their own faces on compile - they generally retain a few but some go missing, just aren't drawn so the map leaks.
Seems to happen when using 45 degree angles that intersect with others, usually I have to bracket the offenders as in Orl's solution - but in a limited resources competition I don't want to have to do that if possible.
Preach
#7586 posted by ijed on 2008/06/17 14:06:14
So that's where to look. Thanks.
Driver Issues And Hammer
#7587 posted by Preach on 2008/06/22 20:32:43
I've discovered that I'm no longer able to select brushes from the 3D view in hammer 3.4, no clicks register in that window. The 2D windows work fine, except that it's a pain to pick out overlapping brushes like that.
The biggest thing I remember doing recently is installing the latest catalyst drivers (running on a mobility 9700). Is it possible that installing these could have broken hammer? Has anyone encountered a problem like this and have a fix? And why does the cart on goldrush keep flickering, the new drivers didn't fix that either...
That's
#7588 posted by ijed on 2008/06/22 21:45:30
What sounds like a classic WC bug - go into options and turn off hardware acceleration in the 3d window options.
I'm guessing that you had it turned on before but your previous drivers didn't conflict.
Hopefully that'll sort it out.
Trigger_count And Bmodels
#7589 posted by Lardarse on 2008/06/23 03:57:05
Can anyone explain to me why a trigger_count needs to have a brush model, when it seems to me that it could be a point entity? The QC specifies it as needing one in the QUAKED line, but the code associated with it doesn't explain why...
It Doesn't
#7590 posted by negke on 2008/06/23 07:28:03
All triggers can be point entities as well.
Func_door Lighting
#7591 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/06/23 12:01:11
This may be fairly obvious but how do I get a func_door to light itself in the open position rather than the closed? I have a large door entity that I want to slide into the level but the default position places most of the entity in the void - therefore, it's mostly black when it slides into the level.
Build It In The Open Position
#7592 posted by czg on 2008/06/23 12:27:02
Then check the 'Start Open' spawnflag.
#7593 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/06/23 12:31:07
Damn it, I knew it would be something obvious. Thanks!
Negke
#7594 posted by Lardarse on 2008/06/23 15:31:56
Sweet. Even more brushes left over now...
The Fixer
#7595 posted by Preach on 2008/06/23 18:33:39
Yeah, it was the drivers, by going back to 5.x catalysts I managed to get clicking to work again. The option to disable hardware rendering has disappeared from 3.4, although if you uninstall your drivers then it does default to some kind of software rendering, where selecting things works again.
Drivers And Wc
#7596 posted by than on 2008/06/24 17:38:20
I have the same problem and am forced to map without hardware accel, making the 3d view painfully slow on large maps. Visgroups help somewhat, but it can still be a pain.
Same For Me
#7597 posted by HeadThump on 2008/06/24 18:05:08
Half my problem with attempting to map on the laptop is dealing with the lack of hardware support, and the other problem is the interface is a pain. Oddly enough, Blender, a much more sophisticated and complex app than Radiant shows very little performance loss without the HW acceleration. The source of the problem could be what Bambuz pointed out some time ago that GTK is a slow api.
Custom Q3 Texture Packs
#7598 posted by Jago on 2008/06/24 18:39:23
Are there any "definite quake 3 custom textures archive" sites out there where I could grab most of the decent publicly available / free to use custom texture and shader sets for quake3?
#7599 posted by Blitz on 2008/06/25 11:37:24
http://fyad.org/uz3f
^ The Wadfather is the best one I can think of (shortened for ridiculously long URL)
UT3 - Adjusting Rooms
#7600 posted by Jago on 2008/06/26 10:34:00
Lets assume you a substracted a room from the world, added some details and then proceeded to work on other areas of the map. Now, let's say we go back to the original room and decide that we need to add some variety to the wall textures and the obvious way to do this would be: reduce the height of the original substracted room brush, place a new substracted brush using the new texture right on top of the old resized room.
However, we end up with a problem: the new substracted room brush is going to "override" and erase any additive brush details that were placed in the top part of the old room. Since the old room now has lower height, these details now find themselves inside the new room brush which we added later, meaning that the brush "creation order" of the detail brushes precedes that of the new room brush, meaning the new room brush overrides/erases any such details.
What do I do?
You Use Static Meshes For Details And Leave Brushes The Hell Alone.
#7601 posted by czg on 2008/06/26 12:02:01
#7602 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/06/26 13:10:29
Right click on any brush and you can move it to the front or back of the list.
Or, use the geometry tools to split the brush in half using the (admittedly clunky) clipping tool. That leaves the ordering the same.
#7603 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/06/26 13:11:13
So in your case, select everything inside the room and moving it to "last" is probably going to work best.
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