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What About That Two Doors Thing I Mentioned 
Two func_door entities next to each other (touching, door_dont_link NOT set), one for each side of the actual door. First door has to be triggered to open and displays the message when touched, the other one has health and opens when shot (only from one side).
Wouldn't that work (haven't tested it)? 
Yeah 
That will work in a similar way. The message for the back door will disappear as soon as the door is opened either by trigger or by shooting. Also it means you can't hijack the way that the back door behaves when you shoot it, but if you're sending the message on touch, that's less of a problem. 
Yep 
i'm using that, without message triggers. Wait, can doors have a message?

/me checks

i'm such a q1 mapping noob :( 
(new)skip Again 
it doesn't seem to work here, skip surfaces always stay and it's always reporting
----- newskip version 1.0 -----
copyright 2007 John Fitzgibbons

Filename: megad2lvl3-2.bsp
Removed 0 faces.


and my .map file looks like this:

// brush 646
{
( -2016 352 224 ) ( -2048 352 224 ) ( -2016 224 224 ) skip 0 0 0 1 1
( -1728 352 256 ) ( -1760 320 128 ) ( -1728 352 128 ) metalt2_3 0 0 0 1 1
( -1728 224 128 ) ( -1728 224 256 ) ( -1728 352 256 ) skip 0 0 0 1 1
( -1856 224 128 ) ( -1856 224 256 ) ( -1728 224 256 ) skip 0 0 0 1 1
( -1856 352 256 ) ( -1728 352 256 ) ( -1728 224 256 ) skip 0 0 0 1 1
}


i tried calling it right after bsp or after light. What are the other possible pitfalls? 
 
I assume your WAD file contains a texture called "skip"? Because if you hand edited the MAP file then QBSP wouldn't find the skip texture and it would assign it the default checkerboard which might cause the skip tool to fail.

That's probably not helpful but there you go! 
Wow 
ah, that makes sense - why would the bsp replace the texture though? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot sense ;) 
 
It doesn't replace it necessarily but since it can't find a texture called "skip" in the WAD file it nulls out the reference and the game draws it as a checkerboard (the default texture). You should get an error when you try to QBSP that MAP file saying something about the SKIP texture wasn't found... 
Well 
the replacing part doesn't make much sense.

q3map just assumes a default texture size (so the uvs are scaled wrong) but leaves the face intact otherwise. 
 
Oh, I can't speak for Quake3 ... sorry, I was talking about what I know from Quake1's QBSP code. 
Texture Question 
There's a .wad a the shubhub named 'ikbase_r2', is this the definitive ikbase .wad? Are there further variations lurking elsewhere? 
Megaman: 
basically, if a texture is not in the wad, qbsp doesn't create an entry in the bsp, and if it's not in the bsp, there will not even be a name that can be read by engines/tools. 
Distrans 
Spirit... 
...thank you. 
Having Issues Compiling? 
iv got worldcraft 3.3 with the addon that lets u map for quake, but i cant seem to compile my map, i get a error in each and every step of the compilation process. 
OK - What Are Your Errors? 
Give some details, and there may be a solution!

One thing I will say is that the WorldCraft process window has always been a problem, and it would be recommended that you run your compiling programs under a command prompt (i.e. start> programs> accessories> command prompt - then:

cd c:\(insert your .map file and tools dir here)
txqbsp (mapname)
vis -fast (mapname) ==> "-level 4" instead of "-fast" for full compile
light (mapname)


OK, so you may well know all of the above already :P

Please specify the error for more help :-) 
Here's The Error Log From The Compiler. 
i used to have a batch compiler for hl1 i could get it again u think that would work betteR?


** Executing...
** Command: Change Directory
** Parameters: c:\quake


** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\BSP\Quake\Bats\testmap1.map" "c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1.map"

The command failed. Windows reported the error:
"The system cannot find the path specified."

** Executing...
** Command: c:\program files\worldcraft\quaketools\nomapversion.exe
** Parameters: "c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1"


** Executing...
** Command: C:\BSP\Quake\Bats\QBSP.EXE
** Parameters: "c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1"

Transparent water QBSP with Hipnotic extensions
MultiWAD version 1.65
by Ken Alverson based on original code by John Carmack

outputfile: c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1.bsp
************ ERROR ************
Error opening c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1.map: No such file or directory

** Executing...
** Command: C:\BSP\Quake\Bats\rvis.exe
** Parameters: "c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1"

---- vis ----
************ ERROR ************
Error opening c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1.bsp: No such file or directory

** Executing...
** Command: c:\program files\worldcraft\quaketools\light.exe
** Parameters: "c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1"

----- Light 1.43 ---- Modified by Bengt Jardrup

************ ERROR ************
Error opening c:\quake\id1\maps\testmap1.bsp: No such file or directory

Elapsed time : 0:00

** Executing...
** Command: C:\Program Files\Quake\glquake.exe
** Parameters: +map "testmap1" 
Weird! 
Er - what is happening there is that the compilers arent configured properly, I can only speak for myself here but I put the compilers in c:\quake\id1\maps, which is the same place that I store the working rmf and map files. This way the only dir that Worldcraft crappy process window has to look is the one folder that all of the files are in!

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=dxr4mm4cicn&thumb=4

Although I will say:

"** Parameters: "c:\quake\ id1\maps\testmap1&q..."

what the hell is the &q doing at the end of this line? Heh - I don't know!

This is a stupid one: - does the dir c:\quake\id1\maps\ exist on your PC?? (I assume so, but you never know!)

From the log it seems that the error first occurrs during the copy file process - because of this none of the other tools will work because the file did not copy to the destination folder, which is where the compilers are looking for the file....

Hmmm 
Yep 
yea, those dir's all exist on my pc lol actually i manually put all the files there myself to try and fix the issue. ill try doing what you have done to fix the issue and if that doesnt work, ill try my batch compiler. 
If In Doubt 
use a command prompt!

You have more control over each step of the comiplation process this way! Just stick all of yer tools in a folder like "c:\quaketools\" or something, then in Worldcraft go:

file> "export to .MAP">

then save it in "c:\quaketools"

then run from the way I described in my first reply, or write all of the commands in a batch file and run the batch file, i.e:

open notepad and write:

@echo Compiling testmap1
@echo Running...
@QBSP testmap1
@vis testmap1
@light -extra testmap1
@echo Finished! Now copy the .bsp file to c:\quake\id1\maps, run Quake and type "map testmap1" on the console...



save this file to c:\quaketools as a .bat file (rather than a txt file), go to c:\quaktools and doubleclick on the .bat file...

If this seems very patronising of me then I'm sorry! Im sure one of the other guys will know a simpler solution!! :P 
Heh 
I bet this DOES sound quite patronising, sorry, I was typing the last one when you replied! 
Lol K, 
ill try all solutions and which ever one works the best, ill use that one from now on lol thanks guys. 
Tryed... 
tryed writing the bat file u suggested even copyed and pasted what u said to write and ran it , and the command window just opened and closed no bsp. 
 
Well, the error is right the first command where the .map is copied somewhere else:

Make 200% sure these folders are the right:
C:\BSP\Quake\Bats\
c:\quake\id1\maps\ 
Hold On 
hold on i might done your way the wrong way i didnt type it in command promt i just double clicked it afterwards lol 
Doing It Manually Should Definately Work! 
the "nomapversion" program is not important, all it does is remove a key from the enitity "worldspawn" which is "mapversion" "220"

This is not critical, it will still run just fine in Quake.

Putting your .map file in a folder like "c:\quaketools\" with your tools, and running the tools one at a time from the command prompt should definately work!

The error report from your process window could be re-posted here, because there is a limit to the size of one word on this messageboard, so if you re-post the error log but put some spaces in to break up the large strings of characters, we will be able to see the complete filenames....

That might help. 
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