I say have both. I prefer the original UT over everything else but I'm sure the series can accommodate both. 

They literally just announced the game, I don't understand how you can judge what they are doing when they haven't written a single line of code yet :P

I am hopeful! I would love to see something similar to UT99 in terms of player speed and map/mode variety as I feel like ut2k3/2k4 was a little bit too fast.

It'll be an interesting project to follow for sure.

Which person on the livestream was Willem? I didn't recognise your name! Good to see they have some fps and UT veteran developers on the team. 

Warren Marshall, he has the awesome facial hair. Comes in later in, and sits down in David's seat for a bit. 

He kinda looks like an older, taller version of Daz?! Even the names match for the most part! Conspiracy theories inbound. 

Yeah, I was the tall dork on the left side with the "READY." t-shirt. 

Also, anyone not liking what we're doing ... despite us not having written a single line of code yet ... should definitely get into the forums and talk about the game with us. It's a community project so doing what the community wants is kind of important.

And that sounds like lip service, I know, but this is our new direction. Open and transparent. 

Thought UT3 was pretty well conceived. Dispite some flaws, which caused more flak than they warranted. Hope 'community involvement' won't result in too many kooks, because you know at the end of the day they're still going to whine for it not being a carbon copy of their fav entry in the series.

Still, a new UT is the best videogame news I've heard in recent years. 

Willem get them to make a single player campaign pls, thank you. I have no interest in deathmatch with other random players around the globe that'll just kick my ass because they play it 24/7. Even COD/BF have SP campaigns as well as multiplayer.

It's been almost a decade since Epic made a SP game for PC, since they decided that PC gamers don't deserve the GOW franchise anymore. 

It's UT game, so if anything, it'll have some simple bot campaign/tournament like in Q3A, nothing more. I guess few people care about this, most want a solid deathmatch experience with good balance and varied game modes. Those who do care about SP will look elsewhere.

Bots are a must, of course, and hopefully the AI can be made good, as this is something all MP games have shortcomings.

I know this is never going to happen, but imagine there would be a SP campaign using the DM levels in the same way that the DMC episodes work... ;) 

It's a community project - anything can happen. :) If someone makes an SP mode like that and we like what they did, there's no reason that couldn't be part of it.

It's a different mentality this time around. It's not about what Epic wants or decides ... we're the gate keepers and quality control, but the community can sell us on just about any idea with a good prototype. 

Kona - And FYI, Gears isn't our decision anymore. Ask Microsoft about it. :P 

Of course I can judge what they've announced. They've announced a new UT, I am judging the concept of a new UT. If it somehow turns out to be something radically different from UT/2/3/4 then my judgement will of course have been bollox but equally the announcement of it as a UT game will have been bollox.

I will grant that the focus on customer/player involvment every step of the way IS something new. Unfortunately I don't see high hopes for that as it seems a slightly ludicrous task wading through the hordes of fanbois, trolls, teenagers, hasbeens, and general imbeciles that will infest forums and keep spewing out counter-productive opinions like little manure spreaders. I suspect the effect would be designing a game by committee, where the committee is a bunch of ADD homo fucktardus who can barely walk upright. I suspect more strongly the end result will be Epic wisely ignoring 90% of the bollox they are faced with and making something they know will be reliably good i.e. errrrr UT....

Obviously I say this as someone who adored Unreal, loved UT (and thought it suitably trounced Q3A at it's own game), but is getting slightly bored of Epic doing something so similar after 4 incarnations of the game. 

This could be the "final" UT exactly because of the open development. 

God those tomb raider 2013 youtubes make it look like total hollywood wank. Listening to Lara pant on like some pussy actress really peeved me off. After a quick glance it seems to get lots of good reviews too !? 

Because it's a goddamn fantastic game, GOTY 2013 for me. 

Yeah, LOVED that game. Really a lot of fun! 

Just playing through lara croft and the guardian of time at the moment, okay for a topdown arcade shooter kind of thing. not much of a story though, just gameplay.

The problem is no other version of UT or Q3A for that matter ever really got a decent single player mod. Not a proper one. Which is surprising, I thought someone out there would have attempted a SP mod. 

Simply because the game included all the assets from Unreal. Hell, one of the last and best things released for UT was Operation Na Pali.

http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/Unreal_Tournament#Single-player_Campaign_Mods 

Mr Prophet and Hourences' packs were awesome too. 

Totally recommend "The Last Fortress" for UTSP. fantastic level; http://taw.duke4.net/2011/04/ut99/the-last-fortress/

On that note, if anyone haven't played an oldie called "Tower of Shrakith'a" from '99 for regular Unreal, I also highly recommend it; http://taw.duke4.net/2012/04/unreal/tower-of-shrakitha/ 

Xidia
7 Bullets
Operation Na Pali
The Odyssey
The Landing
Gryphon Revisited

Those are the must haves. 

Unfortunately I don't see high hopes for that as it seems a slightly ludicrous task wading through the hordes of fanbois, trolls, teenagers, hasbeens, and general imbeciles that will infest forums and keep spewing out counter-productive opinions like little manure spreaders.

who would we be talking about now then 

*zing* 

Let's be clear, if there is one thing Shambler is NOT is a teenager.

The rest of that all applies though. 

...jeezus.