ok.. but what about old projects like SHRAK, MALICE,.. did they buy license from Id ?

I've heard that nowadays licensing Q1 engine for commercial project is $10.000 right ?

Can you create a permanent thread about legal stuff ? 

You can't license the quake engine anymore. Iirc, there was a page on idsoftware.com that stated that.

Also, yes, the devs for malice and other (official) missions packs and total conversions did have to get a license. 

i wouldn't be so concerned dude. Quake's a 15 yr old game, it's pretty unlikely you'll get sued for releasing a free map (with stolen textures) that probably only a 100 ppl are gonna play. Hell if I were still mapping I'd be stealing textures out of some of all the latest games and converting them to wads.

Can't remember what I stole back in the day... pretty sure I ripped all the FAKK2 ones and used those in Carved in Flesh. Most of the good games back then using ID tech 2/3 had their textures ripped. 

I am disappoint. 

Kona is the reason where there was no FAKK3! He stole all their textures! 

..only 100 people? I thought q1 community 'd have been at least some thousand scattered around the world :(

[Kona] ..as crazy as it sounds I have the funny idea of making something more than a amateur free q1 addon

If all fails I'll have somethin to feed my portfolio, I'd really like to work in the industry

IdSoftware homepage still has a business/tech link but doesn't work! 

Who ever said that free quake mods are/were amateur? 

but I'd like to know if there are chances to go commercial with Q1 engine.. today we have online distribution(Steam,..) and other channels

Is it true Q1 engine cannot be licensed from id? and by abiding GPL(aargh!) terms ?? 

Instead of asking people on forum who more than likely don't know what we're talking about? 

I seriously doubt a cutting edge gaming studio would hire anyone making maps for Quake. Level design is totally different now to Worldcraft.

If you want to get hired in the industry, it doesn't need to be commercial. You can make something free. But i'd suggest doing it for a modern game.

Ooooh FAKK3 would be awesome!!! 

Last time I had a peak at level design jobs they all wanted knowledge of something like LUA.

Would Half-Life 2 count as modern? The way its scripting is done via entities and such is pretty much like Quake, very different from the Crysis Flowgraph or Kismet. 

I would say it's modern. 

It's still very hip, the editor is Hammer, there is plenty scope for mapping interesting environments. Map replay-ability is potentially very high, people might play your maps online if they kick ass, maybe.
HL2 is a bit dead really, not much buzz surrounding it nowadays. My 2c. 

TF2 is awesome to map for, big community for it. L4D2 is a lot more involved with a lot less replayability imo, it doesn't get as much mileage as TF2. Plus if your map gets picked up they'll pay you for it. And it's just an awesome game.

Or wait until Portal 2. Or start a UDK mod. Or something. 

I never got into the TF scene. I can't compare.
I guess the art style put me off a bit, I wasn't feelin the cartoon element. But I never got round to playing it. I remember someone mapping for it on Func at one point. Was it Speeds? Or pjw or something? 

Well, could you potentially show your good design knowledge in something older like Quake but also demonstrate knowledge of more modern editors and scripting systems with something different?
Basically do you have to show the two always in the same project. As powerful as they are you're also limit asset and variety wise with stuff like Crysis or L4D.
Just a thought anyway :p 

http://forums.mapcore.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1552&start=8205

Look what these guys are mapping for, plenty of pro LDs on there too. UDK, Crysis and L4D/TF2 are pretty high on the list it seems.

Personally I intend to map for Crysis and probably ETQW (or some semi-professional looking Doom3 mod) once I get time for it to create a portfolio. Have dabbled in both, but no time due to rmq. I'm starting to really like Crysis though, although was skeptical right after getting it.

Even installed Windows because of modern game LD considerations. x_x Linux is a no-no if you want to do any LD for recent games. Radiant, for example, is missing a lot of stuff that even the Doom3 editor has (which is Windows only). Sandbox? Can forget running that under wine.

Lua is apparently pretty commonly used for scripting, but if you can learn QuakeC or the Doom3 scripting thingy, you can learn Lua.

I think. 

From the limited amount I looked into it the Flowgraph is insanely powerful. Would be very interested to see how much you could change the gameplay with it. More arcadey gameplay (like Doom/Quake) + a modern engine would be my dream atm :p

I'm planning on building a portfolio myself at some point, but the main issue for me seems to be the separation of Level Design from Evironment Art. It's harder to find resources based around demonstrating the design side over just pretty things. I've found a few but not much... 

I remember someone mapping for it on Func at one point. Was it Speeds? Or pjw or something?

Wasn't me. List of games I've mapped for (non-professionally):
Loderunner
Doom2
Quake2
Quake3

and an absolutely silly number of Trackmania maps.

And yeah, these days you're going to want to have something more modern in your portfolio than Quake maps if you're wanting to get hired as a level designer. At least something from the last few years.

Quake maps can demonstrate as much skill and creativity as any other sort of mapping (more, in some cases, due to limited tools and engine limits), but you're really rolling the dice if you want a prospective employer to look past the dated eye-candy. 

What do you map for professionally? :) 

http://ompldr.org/vN2NtcA/home.png

I plan on making a left 4 dead 2 map of my neighborhood/city, so I started with my house. I'm pretty sure it's not to scale; I plan on actually measuring tomorrow, but that's basically what my house looks like. I just need more time to work on this. :E 

What do you map for professionally? :)

I've worked on a few things through the years. I'm probably happiest with Dungeon Siege: Legends of Aranna, Quake 4, and Wolfenstein. 

L4D2 still uses Hammer?! Fuck me, that game must look average. 

But there are a lot of hi-res assets, and the engine has great lighting. The animations are very good, and the character models are of an extremely high detail level. TBH it looks like a DX9 game (cause its is I suppose) but the bulk of the maps are of a high standard, the art style is basically realism-based but with a B-movie poster style. But the most hi-res thing about the game - the gameplay! 

Well, WIP L4D shots I've seen usually look less "eyecandy" than Crysis or Unreal, though by no means bad. It's just that a lot of people tend to build a couple boxes with orange textures, then slap brick textures on and scatter broken cars all around.

> It's harder to find resources based around demonstrating the design side over just pretty things.

Yeah, it seems so.

I can only suggest looking into neighboring categories of games, such as platformers, RPGs etc and trying to find what makes them interesting. I myself am making it a point recently to play major titles from the recent years and analyze them. Since established mechanics in FPS are kinda worn out - escort the NPC, defend the camp, collect X items, kill X enemies, etc - looking into other games can be inspiring. Nothing against established mechanics, if they're pulled off solidly - but if something's old, I wanna put a little shine on it...

I am guilty of shamelessly stealing from Tomb Raider: Anniversary when it comes to traps - that game is like a trap constructor's manual and many elements can be transferred to Quake for example (and still work).

Reading this thread at quakeone.com:

http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/chat-o-rama/6276-you-find-yourself-e1m1.html

I was thinking it could be insanely cool if you could really construct new weapons in an FPS by finding a broken rocket launcher and combining it with, say, an explobox and batteries to create a flame thrower... if you could really make that feel as if you had freedom in constructing things.

U-Invent machines come to mind.