#7258 posted by quakis on 2014/02/25 16:12:40
He did explain from 2:35 that this is what he does in his videos and you can skip to the gameplay using the annotation link provided?
#7259 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/02/25 17:13:42
shacky
I'm watching the video Shambler posted and it looks fucking awesome ... it looks like a higher res version of the original Thief games.
What am I missing that you're seeing?
#7260 posted by Shambler on 2014/02/25 17:18:41
willem
He does say later in the video that it has smaller levels, has relatively preset gameplay style paths and less freeform gameplay, and that there is little enemy variety....
...and that it's still a really good game despite that.
#7261 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/02/25 17:25:29
Less path options is definitely a disappointment.
But enemy variety? It's Thief. :)
Wasn't The Thief Enemy Lineup
#7262 posted by ijed on 2014/02/25 19:37:39
Bloke
Bloke with Hammer
Walking Dead Bloke
Lass
Guard Bloke
Bloke in Cloak
A subtle variety of Other Blokes
#7263 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/02/25 19:39:13
Thief2 added the machines, which I really liked a lot. They had a weak spot you could hit with water arrows that added another layer.
Thief also had undead, right?
Thief
had undead, other keeper types, hammerites, pagans, weird enemy types like burricks, ghosts, walking machine things, one of the characters was a big fat weird witch thing (called the hag)
That variety wasnt massive but it is even less so in the new games.
The game looks ok actually, much better than expected. Plus anyone watching the Total Biscuit video and expecting him to not mess about in the options in the beginning doesn't understand that it's a pc gaming channel which focuses on pc specific options.
No-one is going to feck about with options in a console game because who really cares? The pc platform scales, so options are a huge part of the experience.
#7265 posted by skacky on 2014/02/26 00:29:33
Mini review of Thi4f so far:
+ Good PC port with lots of customization and a FOV slider that goes all the way up to 110�.
+ Good atmosphere and cool visuals.
+ Good ambient music and sounds.
+ Okay-ish lockpicking, the addition of failure is neat.
+ Cool statistics.
- While the PC port is good, the terrible optmiziation is unacceptable and coupled with the crippled gameplay makes this game an absolute chore to play.
- Shitty and completely uninspired writing.
- Terrible voice acting.
- Linear levels.
- Cutscenes were filmed by Michael J. Fox.
- Shit contextual jump that misbehaves and requires the player to stand exactly on a certain spot to be able to execute the jump.
- Swoop is casual babby mode and completely overpowered.
- The AI is stupid as fuck, worse than in the originals, and can either be omniscient of oblivious, but there is no middle ground. Is it too much to ask for a better AI 16 years after the first game?
- Some usable objects like ropes are always highlighted in blue even if you don't use focus mode. As you'd expect, that looks utterly terrible.
- The visibility meter now has 3 states instead of 16.
- Sound has little to no impact except on water and broken glass.
- Rope arrow hotspots instead of rope arrows working on every wooden and soft surfaces (soil, carpet, foliage).
- Overuse of visual leitmotifs that destroy suspension of disbelief.
- Loading screens everywere, and they also are very long. Took me 6 freaking minutes to load the very first level.
- Abundance of QTEs.
Willem: Thief 2 has machines but... that's all. The rest is entirely human with the exception of the Woodsie beasts in Trail of Blood and some undead here and there. This makes mission variety suffer a lot compared to Thief 1 that was all over the place, in a good way.
BURRICKS
Why does everyone forget about the burricks?!
#7267 posted by Spirit on 2014/02/26 09:41:05
Skacky.
#7268 posted by Shambler on 2014/02/26 09:45:58
What a surprising and revelatory review from you :D
#7269 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/02/26 14:41:53
"The AI is stupid as fuck, worse than in the originals, and can either be omniscient of oblivious, but there is no middle ground. Is it too much to ask for a better AI 16 years after the first game?"
Any specifics on this? "stupid as fuck" doesn't tell me much. What do they do that's wrong?
#7270 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/02/26 21:13:04
seems unfortunate that Thief reboot was a disappointment.
Yet Another Wonderful Review From Angry Joe!
#7271 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/02/26 23:44:10
#7272 posted by [Kona] on 2014/02/27 01:13:07
That's pretty funny. I was crying with laughter at around 15mins when he gets to the final level and that scene where he dies and has a rampage over it.
I just don't understand why developers are still doing QTE's in games. Are many developers these days not real gamers?
#7273 posted by necros on 2014/02/27 05:06:40
I just don't understand why developers are still doing QTE's in games. Are many developers these days not real gamers?
Isn't it a cost thing? Must cheaper to make a cinematic that requires you to hit a few buttons to decide which of the 2 ending clips play rather than coding up some monster attacks and getting it tested.
Lasted 10 Seconds Of His Ranting.
#7274 posted by Shambler on 2014/02/27 10:47:05
Too desperately try-hard for me. Inflection and expressions nearly cringed me to death.
#7275 posted by [Kona] on 2014/02/27 11:50:00
Angry Joe is an acquired taste.
#7276 posted by ijed on 2014/02/27 12:21:36
Are many developers these days not real gamers?
Developers themselves are, but it's rare that the people in charge play games.
#7277 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/02/27 14:47:34
Time constraints. Nobody really WANTS to use QTEs but the game is behind and we're not going to ship on time and ... fuck it, press X to win.
For Those Getting Psyched For Krad Louss 2:
#7278 posted by Shambler on 2014/02/27 15:10:25
Hahaha
#7279 posted by DaZ on 2014/02/27 15:44:44
That's a great review. I found myself agreeing almost 100% with it.
The learning WALL at the start of the game is what put me off the first time I tried the game. I didn't have a clue how the game worked. When I played it on stream I took the time to read the wiki and ov. chat helped a lot too and it turned into a fantastic game and one of my favourite 3rd person action games ever.
Pumped for DS2
#7280 posted by - on 2014/02/27 17:31:12
QTE exists because it lets you script a fantasy of player interaction that you can't possibly do as regular gameplay.
Done well and sparingly, it's not the most terrible thing to happen in games... but it's been overdone to death by now and more often than not it's in lieu of gameplay instead of supplementing it.
Willem
#7281 posted by skacky on 2014/02/27 17:57:42
Concerning AI:
- They seem to be oblivious to everything that's above their heads, even if you're in broad daylight.
- They lose your trail very easily.
- At one point I replicated something I saw on a stream: I fought a guard in the brothel mission next to a courtesan and a client, and both of them didn't care at all. What's worse is that the guards downstairs didn't hear a thing. In the originals even the tiniest disturbance could make the whole houseguard come after you.
#7282 posted by [Kona] on 2014/03/03 06:43:17
Played through Darksiders now (and reviewed it). Pretty cool game, 8/10. Wicked characters, story, epic large design. Just the puzzles ruined it a bit. Shame the studio closed down because they were capable of doing some really great games.
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