Actually
#7219 posted by Spirit on 2008/03/25 12:56:58
What I mean is that it should be jaw-dropping and extraordinary.
Look at gmsp3: Day of the Lord, menk: Menkalinan and czg07: Insomnia. All work in any engine.
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#7220 posted by spy on 2008/03/25 14:32:06
spirit- i can't campare my map with outstanding
work from glassman or czg, it's just an amaturish map, sorta speedmaping :)
frib- i always been your huge fan:) especially
pkeg1 map
aguirre- not sure 'bout 7z, could you accept rar?
7zip - Download Link
#7221 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/25 14:36:19
http://www.7-zip.org/
7zip is the mightiest zipper ever!!
Use it, and select 7z as the format, all the other settings to the highest or the biggest number, or whatever, then be stunned by:
A - how long it takes to compress, compared to other zippers
B - How small it becomes!
: D
Oh, Also
#7222 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/25 14:42:23
7zip is also a fantastic thing to have because it reads .rar and .zip files too. I havent found a compressed file which it wouldnt read. Also it can make .rar and .zip files too.
It fantastic !
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#7223 posted by spy on 2008/03/25 15:11:24
ok, aguirre, i sent it
Crap
Wrote a reply to this and lost it somehow. Brain explosion or something. Anyway, the essence of it was, unless there's a very good reason why the map exceeds the normal engine limits (or has spanktacular new features that require new engine code) then why bother?
Seriously, why not just cut the map down or split it into 2 maps? Will it seriously destroy the gameplay? I doubt it. It will simply mean that more people are able to play your map, and everybody is happier. :)
Hmmmm . . .
#7225 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/25 15:39:20
You could split it up.....
thats not *actually* that bad of an idea...
And the Mac users - well - you know the one about the toothless blowjob....
Ricky:
I played Marcher because it came bundled with the required exe (which it damn well better do, if you expect me to play it) and because it was top drawer stuff.
Its a bit like complaining because your on-road car wont go off-road, having access to a 4x4 but refusing to use it because you cant be bothered, or something....
Not at all. You're assuming I want to go off-road. I don't. I'm quite happy here, putzing about on the standard old roads with my nice, familiar old engine. :)
Seriously, if you want me to play a map that won't load in FitzQuake, you had better prepare a pretty compelling argument as to why I should bother going out of my way to do so. Or make it as easy as possible to do it (e.g. include the required exe in the zip). Or both.
You might as well tell Kinn, Ijed and Me to fuck off too!
I might as well, but I won't. Besides, I like Kinn. Who is Ijed and what does he have to do with this?
Actually, on second thought, fuck off. Yes. All I'm doing is expressing my opinion, mate. It doesn't really have anything to do with you at all... does it?
Groan...
#7227 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/25 15:59:04
...I dunno, give an inch and they'll take a mile.
Lord, I dont want to have this debate. I have seen Spys map, and I dont want to spoil it for everyone.
Ijed is a legend! He made WARPSPASM. Full of maps which wont run in FitzQuake.
Anyhoo, I think Spys map uses Marcher Fortress progs. So you can run it under Marcher.exe. And you have to install Marcher Fortress to run the map anyway, so wheres the big inconvenience?
I dont want you to play any maps you dont want to, er, Mr Fribbles. If you see a map you dont want to play, then dont play it. It's a free country.
And we all know you dont like maps which break the mould, you were saying on the GA thread the other day, theres no need to repeat yourself.
Anyway, when I said that splitting the map into two might not *actually* be that bad of an idea, I wasnt kidding. It's a pretty obvious suggestion that I wouldnt have thought of. It would mean that Mac users can view the map.
On the other hand, it would make the set up process oven more complicated in a way, it would be a real Frankenstein job, dont you think - map running with Marcher progs, under Fitzquake. That'd be a first! Dont you think people might complain that it was 'too much messing around to set up'? Or something...
Fribbles
#7228 posted by Spirit on 2008/03/25 16:01:05
#7229 posted by spy on 2008/03/25 16:11:54
ha-ha, i thought about to split the map, but it'll ruin my vision of map, maybe i'll release 2 version of map one splited and one not, i dno't wanna after i'll release the map, everybody will complain 'too much ado about nothin' this map isn't that quality as 'marcher fortress'
Ricky....
And we all know you dont like maps which break the mould, you were saying on the GA thread the other day
Show me where I said that. What the fuck is your problem with me, anyway? All I was doing was expressing an opinion - am I not entitled to do so?
Spirit
I'm going to play it, just because you asked nicely. :)
As you can probably tell, I've missed a few Quake things in recent times.*
* as in, the last few years...
Spy
This is nothing personal regarding you or your map, spy... I am always bitching about this every time this issue comes up. Sorry.
I just don't see why everyone is so flippant about exceeding all the usual engine limits these days. In doing so you're restricting engine choice and possibly excluding some people from playing your map. In my opinion this shouldn't be done without good reason.
#7233 posted by Kell on 2008/03/26 03:56:44
I put in the effort to ensure my maps run in FitzQuake. I am not flippant.
My maps are fucking awesome, in case you hadn't noticed.
Cheers
#7234 posted by HeadThump on 2008/03/26 04:03:57
My maps are fucking awesome, in case you hadn't noticed.
Somewhere in the Dimension of the Damned I hear Roy G Batty whooping a, 'That's the Spirit!'.
#7235 posted by Sielwolf on 2008/03/26 06:12:18
Mr. Fribbles wrote:
I just don't see why everyone is so flippant about exceeding all the usual engine limits these days...In my opinion this shouldn't be done without good reason.
Spy wrote:
i thought about to split the map, but it'll ruin my -->vision<-- of map
50 monsters/3 secrets, good night ?
#7236 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/03/26 10:40:12
"I just don't see why everyone is so flippant about exceeding all the usual engine limits these days. In doing so you're restricting engine choice and possibly excluding some people from playing your map. In my opinion this shouldn't be done without good reason."
*raises glass*
Well said!
Hug And Kiss The Engine Limits
#7237 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/26 11:03:57
thats what I do. They're my friends. They let me know when to stop mapping cause the map is big enough! Funny how several engine limits will be touched at the same time.
I'm at the limit for Marksurfaces, Clipnodes and Bmodels. I think I must be pretty close to edicts too...
Its easier to avoid breaching engine limits when you know where they all are and how to monitor them....
Marcher
#7238 posted by than on 2008/03/26 19:04:03
runs in winquake...
that's pretty impressive if you ask me :)
Ricky: I dunno what happened to the textures, but they were for Q3. I can send you the set if you like, but they aren't that great and you'd need to convert them to q1 format. You are probably better off using Sock's metallic industrial textures or trying the kingpin set, which work great in Q1. If you want to use kingpin, I can send you a tidied up version of the megawad that contains just the textures you'd be most likely to use and named nicely so that the Worldcraft doesn't fuck things up when it encounters certain texture names.
The KingPin
#7239 posted by HeadThump on 2008/03/26 20:34:27
textures that mix well with Quake also mix well with Evil Lair #3 set for a nice tech/industrial feel.
Hmmm...
#7240 posted by distrans on 2008/03/27 04:28:57
...what HT said :)
Kell: unfortunately, some people haven't :(
re: limits - Having a conversation with Baker on this point might be enlightening. His self installers are very popular for a reason. We worked hard to keep Travail playable in standard Fitz, and to make it as simple as possible to install (i.e. simple pak0) but still some people didn't play it till it was converted to self install. Go figure...
Sanity Check Time
#7241 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/03/27 10:51:32
I'm working on my remix here and ... OK, let's say there's a func_wall in a map covering up a teleporter. If that func_wall doesn't have a targetname and none of it's spawn flags are set, it's never going to go away right? It almost looks like they intended to have this teleporter be revealed at some point but then never bothered to hook it up.
Is that right or am I missing something there?
It's The Sort Of Thing I'd Do...
#7242 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/03/27 11:27:50
...like make hollow spheres which you're never gonna see the inside of!
They probably were on a time limit, and were rushing to get finished!
#7243 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/03/27 11:31:46
Oh no, it appears I'm wrong. The walls do indeed vanish in deathmatch. Weird. I thought you had to set all 3 skill spawnflags for that to happen. I guess setting none works as well.
Learn something new every day!
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