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There's one thing you need to bear in mind with, say, your grunt remake. How similar is it to the original iD model? If it's fairly derivative, then it might still violate the copyright on the original. For instance,
http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ajd70/shalrath.zip is a remake of the vore. Although it's made from scratch, and the animations and skin were done only with reference to the original, I wouldn't be confident that it's not a violation to use it in a replacement quake pack. At least in my eyes it's fairly faithful to the original, but that's the crux of the dilemma. If it's close enough to the original to satisfy purists, it's probably not different enough to be legal. Openquartz http://openquartz.sourceforge.net/ had the same objective of replacing everything with GPL content, and I think their weapons are a good example to aim for in terms of how similar/different to go. The weapons are still clearly shotguns/rocket launchers etc, and the animations still fit the original code, but they are distinct looking enough. Of course, they aren't much in quake flavor, and the monsters stray even further. Could we invent new monsters that fit the quake feel, sync with the motions of the originals, but are distinct enough? Well, maybe... I guess after all that being down on remaking quake monsters exactly, it would be silly to turn 180 and release one myself. But Romero did say at Qexpo that the shambler is meant to be furry, so I decided to make a model to fit. http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ajd70/shambler.zip he are just trying to make something if nothing get�s out of this at least some will have some maps release soon :)
Great Shambler Preach, looks like the yetti!
Thought, where's its cyclope eye? I watched your Vore model and must say it has a more vieuwable body than Quake's original. And if Scorpio is allowed, why not Gremlins? Makes me think of how to coordinate Quake1 textures - Hipnotic pak - New monsters - I think it has to be playable in normal Quake1 as it is called Base Pack. Dancing? Well, er, that's just my way of making it...um, indivdualising the model...to prevent it from being a copyright violation and all. By teaching it a variety of dance styles - all to use in combat. Can't be too, hmm, careful eh?
Ok, I messed up, this is the wrong copy of the model, it's meant to be an easter egg thing. There's another version I have on here with real animations, I'll get that uploaded soon enough. Sorry to derail the thread with this, perhaps it should be posted elsewhere? I would be *absolute delighted* (hand flap) to have some proper, easy to use rotating entities... and a flashlight! :D
Remake aerowalk for SP, but make it fulldark so he doesn't have to show off his nasty lighting skills.
simply having variants of grunts would help.. palette shift for sg, ssg, ng/sng, and grenades. use the rocketguys from Quoth for rockets obviously...
a differently skinned Enforcer with higher health who fires the plasma from DoE, good medium/high level enemy just cause the plasma is powerful and takes more unique dodging when it impacts sentry guns ala TF could be in some places as well... differently skinned player model could be present to, perhaps wielding a lightning gun and strafing a little bit if the weapons the enemies possess are accurate in damage to what you could deal with them, i like the idea of the player getting all their weapons from the corpses of enemies. changes things up a bit in weapon/monster progression. sorry for the flighty post, i was just thinking these up as they came to me, rather than approaching with a full idea. re-skinned grunts and enforcers is a must, its been tried and tested and works well.
Sentry turrets could be ok if used properly, perhaps they could be triggered to turn on and off so you could use some floor panel activators and button deactivators etc. Would create some chances for different gameplay at least. Still not so keen on the flashlight idea, but I geuss it depends how it was implemented and how the level was designed to use it... I think we need a flying enemy, but I agree that bob from Quoth was quite annoying :) Maybe a doctor robotnik style thing (lol) Still not so keen on the flashlight idea
Amen. This isn't Doom 3, thank gods. Can you all please stop with the crappy ideas and just do something simple that stands a chance of actually getting done, like a bunch of non-connected id base maps that support coop, and a start map that links them all together a la 100b contest? Keep in mind that if you alter the progs.dat, the maps will no longer be playable in QW coop. Just include a few semi-base monsters like shamblers, fiends, vores, and ogres if you need more variety. And if you want a non-id base map, then just go make a map in that other theme and release it elsewhere. If you're going to be such a downer, why don't you at least make a map for the pack? Sorry you've got a flaming pull up your butt, hun.
Calm down guys. It would be shit if this thread suddenly went off topic because people started getting annoyed with each other, because a base pack is a cool idea, and judging by the enthusiasm the idea has received so far, there is a chance of something happening.
However, I have to agree that adding too much stuff is a bad idea. If we use a modified progs, then I think we should just take the best base monsters that already exist and use them, rather than doing lots of extra work to have reimaginings of the same ideas people have used in their maps for ages. As far as I'm concerned, the best grunt/enforcer mods are those in Quoth, the Zer Mega-Enforcer and perhaps the one used in Mexx10 (not sure about the skin, but I don't remember it 100% - also used in gmsp1?) If there is time, and I can recover from my current RSI problems, I wouldn't mind making some heavy weapons guy (similar to Doom 2) variant from scratch, but that's all. If we don't use a modified progs, then any other monster but knights is ok to use. Whilst I don't really like ogres in base maps, they aren't quite as out of place as knights. Maybe for now we should just concentrate on making some maps, which is what we do best ;) By the way, it is possible to make floor turrets in Quake with no modifications. You could even make them grenade deactivateable like the ones in HL2. It's simply a case of setting up a func_door that rises out of the floor and some spikeshooters (firing lasers, not spikes) to shoot where the player is likely to be. You then trigger the door and shooters when the player is near, and have it retract when the player goes away. Also, leave a small gap for grenades to be shot into when the turret pops up and have a trigger with health 10 (or whatever) at the bottom of the pit the func_door is placed in that kills the activate triggers when used. Easy, and no mods. BTW, Christmas release for teh win! BTW, Christmas release for teh win!
love that :) Christmas winter is always good for some sp at home :) u guys decided about monster�s i just want to play some base maps :) but i agree ogres and nights cant be fit!!! they dont supose to be in base maps :\ ;)
I wouldn't mind, but it was Trinca's idea. Besides, I have two maps that I need to finish once I have recovered from RSI or whatever the hell is going on (it's only mild atm, but I am trying to reduce computer usage - especially at home). Hey Than, get yourself one of those padded mouse mats that elevates your wrist, and start taking some glucosamine tablets. Works a treat I've heard!
oh i just bring the subject...
1� my english suck 2� me and qc = 0 3� this comunity got good projects leathers
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