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Right now, yes, because we're not promoting a game. :) We're an engine provider as well as a game studio so this demo is to get people interested in licensing the engine. Which everyone should! It only seems right... 

all I see in those videos is a trillion dollar artist budget. I'm not at all familiar with the unreal technology (is it still called that?), but..

Where are the new rendering techniques? Where are the "simple art" test cases that show the pros and cons, where are the performance breakdowns? Where are the awesome features your engine has that nobody else has? Voxel cone tracing maybe? But where are the details of what is actually implemented there? When does it break down? How does it handle near-field? I heard there are problems with that... in the original paper. What about your implementation?

If I would have to make a decision about spending a lot of money on engines, those would be what I want to base my decision on. All I see in most engine videos is more particles, more deferred lights, more post processing, etc., and of course, lots of artists. Those don't come with the engine, I heard =)

Maybe that's my academic view, and that's because I see the papers a long time before an actual product uses that stuff. Maybe managers just buy stuff, because they don't even know what engine vs artist means. Or it isn't even about them, it's about the public that in turn buys everything with unreal engine "because it just has to look as good as the tech video".

oh, and i didn't even watch it, just the graph ui advertisment. :-)

okay, i just did. the glossy reflections look indeed nice, but there does seem to be only one type of glossy material (puddles/wet) that actually uses it. Why's that?

What else is there? Nice volumetric lighting, but not enough time and bad video compression to actually see what the problems with it are. Or how fake it is. Then... there's lots of particles, lights, artist budget :-) How many "VPLs" are actually hand-placed? Model/Animation of the main character with dread locks looks really bad (the joints?!), but I'm not sure if that's just artist fuck-up (but how did it pass QA then, if it was easily fixable? See the problem?) What shadowing there is looks really nice, but some stuff doesn't seem to cast any.

And it's all really pretty. 

what's your code quality, how easy is it to modify stuff, plug my own stuff into it, what abstractions are there... I'd like a video about that =) 

I expected some nice honest advertisement but that natural and spontaneous infomercial made me cringe. So much bullshit bingo phrases. I swear I was able to do what I want and let the creative energy flow into the code and leverage the intuitive interface and feel unleashed with that FPS creator thing that was advertised in magazines in 1996. You can be a game designer too! But only with this new product. Not any of the competitors. It is so new and innovative! 

It's a marketing video, yes, but look at what's being shown. That's no bullshit. Shane created all of that stuff entirely on his own and he knows nothing about coding. He's an artist, through and through, and he's making games entirely on his own in UE4. 

They did release some paper last year:

http://eat3d.com/blog/metalliandy/siggraph-2012-technology-behind-unreal-engine-4-elemental-demo

Also some walkthrough of the editor and some tech info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8

And yes, million dollar art budgets and such. I totally agree. I also tend to get more excited about NPR and innovative art direction nowadays. Nevertheless, impressive stuff.

One thing I wish would get solved once and for all in this generation is transparency. 

I hope something is coming out of that Samaritan demo ;) I loved the noir cyberpunk setting. 

Come on, those "engine ads" are actually aimed at general public to support the brand and make the "build with WHATERVER tech #" a selling point for the gamers. And execs too of course.

Cryengine Flow Graph > Kismet all day btw. 

"Cryengine Flow Graph > Kismet all day btw. "

Have you played with UE4 Kismet/Blueprints yet? It's a LARGE step up from UE3. 

what Unreal3 tech games officially have map editor and custom maps support? 

GoW and UT3 are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. 

I've always loved the Unreal Editor, the kismet system shown is really impressive. It's great to see that Shane still works at Epic, he seemed to drop off the radar somehow. Remember the days when the guys making the games were really at a kind of celeb status? Not really like that so much these days (except for guys like Carmack or Miyamoto). 

Remember the days when the guys making the games were really at a kind of celeb status?

Haha, I remember the nineties too. It's great until they try to make you their bitch though, then it all ends in tears. 

ok that video was nice. the debugger looks amazing. 

the ad markets exactly what it says (engine) but you guys want it to market something else (game).

That would be when Epic pimps the next GoW or Unreal?? All your where is the gameplay comments would be valid then. 

I just read the Epic Siggraph 2012 paper. I understood some of those words. Actually really awesome reading though, thanks Spiney.

The voxel cone nonsense seems mad cool. I thought this video by Cyril Crassin (the author of the original paper) does a great job of demonstrating it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fAsg_xNzhcQ 

http://maverick.inria.fr/Publications/2011/CNSGE11b/GIVoxels-pg2011-authors.pdf this is a paper :-)

Nice slides nonetheless, i didn't know they had a siggraph talk. 

I thought it was a paper, I might just have remembered wrong :P 

.. pdf is electronic format, till you print it, then it becomes paper...

/you ignorant !! 

Why? because I'm not a clever man. Why must everyone insist on pointing this out? 

said paper. 

Wait, what? Out of all the hundreds games that use UE3 only 2 Epics own titles have editor/custom map suport?

Quick google couldn't find much relevant info.
Does it have much to do with everyone selling DLCs instead of letting users make their own mods or what. 

Yeah, it's kind of depressing...
I know there's workarounds for UDK that work with some titles, but nothing official. 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma4pxwQaSj1rgns6ao1_400.jpg 

Now make a cyberpunk Skyrim in the video setting, with Crytek-esque gameplay.

Thanks!!!