This looked reasonably brutal and visceral, but not that hectic. It looks like they are balancing out modern styles with action-orientated gameplay a bit better than Doom3, but it's still not the old skool pace.

The question is, will that happen again?? Painkiller - okay, but meh. Serious Sam - seriously toss. WOFLTNO - too hitscanny. Devs seem to either struggle getting the horde/pace balanced right with actually being an appealing game, or don't have the inclination to try (sorry, may not make sense, not fully caffeinated yet). 

The thing is, it doesn't SEEM like it should be hard to arrive at a good base for a working formula fairly quickly. Seriously, start with this list of traits for your enemies:

- fast/slow
- hit scan/projectile (also fast/slow)
- large/small
- land based/flying

Mix and match, generate about 8 combos of those things and you should have a recipe for a Doom-like tactical experience.

But everyone defaults to "slow, hit scan, small, land based". Humans in other words. 

And their idea of enemy variety is pistol vs rifle, or "Oh, hey, this one has a rocket launcher!" 

at least for sp?

I think there is a good argument that most are designed for a one off 'experience' only. Hence all the overscripted stuff, animations or otherwise.

Most people I know these days only playtrhough the sp part of a modern fps once. Then move on to another game or only play mp. 

Not in my experience. It takes so much effort to create the worlds that adding side paths or optional objectives for future discovery isn't realistic.

They try to add replayability through scoring systems or other things that players don't really care about.

I've replayed Fallout 3 and New Vegas several times because every single time, I found something totally new I never saw before... 

so then really are game mechanics at the forefront or again things that go to the one off experience? I would say the latter.

Fallout etc I guess they are more RPS/FPS like Deus Ex no? 

Maybe they are counting on mapping for Doom4 SP replayability ?
Hoping they offer more mapping possibilities than Snapmap or that it allows more than prefab usage... 

This feels like very mass market easily accessible stuff. Designed to sell in droves. I suspect that the SP campaign won't have much replayability at all. The community and map making tool will be the focus of its replayability.

I will be interested in seeing how in depth they make the scripting tools though. That is what will make or break this I think. If some interesting or novel mechanics can be implemented into the game by the community then we might see it take off. 

because people are able to look past graphical or environmental "limitations" for novelty. (see minecraft) 

It's a bit of a vicious cycle. There's nothing to gain from a replay, so they don't, so levels with replay value get lower priority, so players don't bother replaying...

I get that games have become Hit It and Quit It. But that sucks. Unfortunately the answer always seems to be leaderboards or grinding. Which still suck. 

And on the other side you have games like Hotline: Miami where replaying is everything.

I wonder if DOOOOM will even have end level statistics and secrets. 

Although I don't like that melee takes longer than shooting - from a mechanics standpoint that makes no sense.

And yeah... where are the projectiles... 

Don't the imps shoot fireballs, the revs ants rockets and the mancubi plasma? Not to overly defend it, but to me it didn't look as bad as it's made out to be by some. What annoyed me most was the boring environments. Those looked pretty generic, but with a level editor like snapmap, the components have to be generic to fit together. I guess what they're trying to do is accommodate casual misdeed and mappers who can't spend a year on each map? 

Fucking autocorrect. 

Not misdeeds. 

Motherfuckers 

I doubt the levels in the single player campaign were slammed together with slapmap.

I think slapmap's just a cool toy for whipping something up quick and sharing it online for likes and upvotes. 

I like "casual misdeeds", I think we should accommodate as many of those as possible. 

depends how strict the thing is... if it is freeform with option gridlock like elder scrolls game editors, then it can still allow a lot of cool stuff even with stock assets. 

Gonna be the death of Doom4.

I think the Revenant looks really good, proper menacing. It somewhat overshadows the other monsters IMO, Hellknights or whatever they are look cool but kinda generic, Mancubi look cool but kinda comical. 

I love that Cacodemon. 

 

or am i teh dumb 

Barons are twice as tough. 

I like the Cacos, they look kinda warped.