Something For Fun...
#6113 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 00:06:23
http://necros.quaddicted.com/downloads/ne_qep1.zip
did this on saturday, it's e1m1 -> e1m7 glued together in one giant map (minus e1m8 because it would have required a mod to get the gravity to work).
i kept my own mapping down to a minimum and only built two very small areas to help connect the maps together, but apart from that, the exits from previous maps connect directly to the entrance for the next map.
in particular, it's cool to be able to run all the way across e1m2 to e1m5 and back.
eventually, i want to paste the medieval and metal DM maps in as well and connect everything into a very non-linear single map and basically double up on monsters to bring it more in line with modern difficulty levels or something, but i wanted to put this out first in it's original form.
have fun. :P
Necros
#6114 posted by JPL on 2009/09/28 08:49:42
Should have required a dedicated news thread !!!
#6115 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 09:10:06
well, it's nothing new as it's just the maps we all know. i just thought it was cool to be able to move freely about between them, but i guess it's less cool to everyone else, lol ^_^
Dang!
Looking forward to play this!!!!
But I'm @ office and Fruitz Of Dojo's Gl Quake crashes badly. Fitzquake 0.80 the same.
Can't wait to get home!
Yeah
#6117 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 09:31:46
you'll need fq 0.85 atleast :(
goes over quite a few limits, clipnodes, edicts, faces, etc...
the funny thing is that it only takes 7 minutes for a full level 4 vis (the whole thing is about 7300 brushes). just goes to show how huge a difference it makes when you have maps designed like id vs maps with outdoors or terrain or whatever.
*gives Necros A Facial*
#6118 posted by [Kona] on 2009/09/28 09:54:56
haha this is really cool necros!!! i played up until the third map, got kinda boring - same old thing we've played 100 times already. but it was neat seeing each new map joined up. goes to show how far we've come that we can glue an entire id episode into 1 map!
if your joining more up, you should do a mass find/replace on the textures and replace them all to more modern textures. that'd look cool.
Noticed A Few Bugs...
#6119 posted by metlslime on 2009/09/28 10:00:32
perhaps these bugs are actually in the source .map files as well, but i noticed a couple of wrong textures (e1m1 first platform down, floor of e1m2 hallway with quad) and some misalignments (e1m1 slipgate front.)
#6120 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 11:07:12
any misaligned textures that are off by an even amount (like 32 or 64) are probably caused by me.
the import map function in sikkpin's editor is kind of iffy. it's supposed to import a map into the same position as it's source is in, but sometimes it picks random positions to import to.
this means that just turning on texture lock isn't enough because the map is imported with incorrect texture coords.
also, e1m3 was rotated 270 degrees. it's the reason there's a hallway between e1m3 and e1m4.
rotating the map screwed up all the doors and func_trains (of which e1m3 had a few iconic ones) so when i came to e1m4, instead of rotating it, i left it alone and made the hall.
anyway, yeah, it gets boring after a while cause there's nothing new.
anyway, taking a break on my other q1 maps, so now, using this as a base, i want to do something similar to the kind of thing we saw in doom maps like e3m9 (which was e3m1 reversed) or plutonia map 32 which was map01 from doom2 but with added areas.
#6121 posted by Spirit on 2009/09/28 14:06:01
someone make it news!
You are an ass, necros. At least you could have said "this took a month and was really hard work". Or screw up something (the secret lift at the start of the underwater houses map did not work for me). You are awesome.
Skill 3: http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/ne_qep1_spiritfirstrun.zip
Andtheyevenbodoredtodoso
#6122 posted by peopedontcaretounderstand on 2009/09/28 16:05:45
Necros you are fast as a bullet! nice work
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/scrap.zip
I lost all my interesing on mapping, plus people dont like much my maps anyway(to dark, to blocky, to linear) so why loose time with then?
Email some friends some time ago to ask what they think of the map in progress... if i should finish this map or not and they even didn�t respond...
One of those friends I�m a little disappointed... didn�t expected this attitude from him, but this is internet and nobody is nobody friend this is just the proof!!!
I think nobody cares, so why should i care? if anyone want to finish this for a speed map be my guest!
bye
#6123 posted by JneeraZ on 2009/09/28 16:07:58
"I lost all my interesing on mapping, plus people dont like much my maps anyway(to dark, to blocky, to linear) so why loose time with then?"
Because you enjoy it? Don't map to please other people, map because you want to.
If
#6124 posted by ijed on 2009/09/28 16:20:11
You're mapping for others you will lose interest.
In The Beginning
#6125 posted by sock on 2009/09/28 16:28:48
most people create maps for themselves and friends and usually have a blast showing off their new found skills, but mapping is no easy journey. If you don't listen to feedback from others, accept changes to your maps or want to learn new ways to map (design and visually) then it will seem tedious after a while.
#6126 posted by anonymous user on 2009/09/28 16:49:23
ok, I also lost interress in this map... :\ dind�t run as I espected... that also helped!
Necros
#6127 posted by JPL on 2009/09/28 17:43:54
Actually fitz0.85 does not work, as I have a Host error: too much edicts, as edicts exceeds 1024...
aguirRe's GLQuake (v1.31) is working fine OTOH) so I've been able to play it :)
Anyway, thanks a lot for this cool stuff !!!
PS: I'm just wondering how interseting it would be to group map per theme (base / medieval / runic) using the same idea you used for episode 1... Maybe using Quoth for gravity change and new monster add-on.. a kind of "Quothed" Quake Theme Remake ;)
Jpl
#6128 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 20:20:22
you must manually set max_edicts in fitzquake.
start fq085, go in the console and type max_edicts 8192, now you should be able to load the level. (this also means you need to use sv_protocol 666)
Iwonteventodotrythen...
#6129 posted by madfox on 2009/09/28 21:34:32
peopledontcaretounderstand
but I tried it and must admit it is good first stage of level mapping.
I found a leak and 73 warnings and deleted the leak.
And one thing stands..., map only when you're in love with it, not for others. Otherwise you'll loose.
here's the demo and map:
http://members.home.nl/gimli/njew.zip
#6130 posted by anonymous user on 2009/09/28 21:49:30
Madfox this have to do with versions...
The map dont have warnings and leaks I garantie you this :)
Necros
#6131 posted by JPL on 2009/09/28 21:52:59
Thanks a lot for the clue: I was not aware it was working like this ;)
Note for myself: add set max_edicts 2048 in my cfg file :P
Necros
#6132 posted by Ankh on 2009/09/28 22:08:42
I love quake id maps. Thank's for this compilation :)
I have a demo if anyone bothers.
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/ankh_neq1p.zip
Yeah
#6133 posted by necros on 2009/09/28 22:12:39
that's what i have in my main autoexec in id1. i always force sv_protocol to be 666 as well as max_edicts. (a few other things like gl_farclip and other things i can't think of)
tbh, i don't really understand the point of max_edicts... why not just have maximum edicts of 8192 be attached to protocol 666, since that's probably one of the reasons you're running 666 anyway, instead of 15.
Fuk
Did E1 always have this many Fiends on skill 2? Being trapped by four fiends between E1M2 and E1M3 with the lousy early weapons, and no Quad, was pretty refreshing...
Max_edicts
#6135 posted by metlslime on 2009/09/28 23:34:01
- you can go all the way up to 8192 edicts with protocol 15, it's only when passing that number that you need a new protocol (actually it can still work in protocol 15 but you will only hear sound effects from the first 8192 entities)
- fitz 0.80 can handle edicts up to 8192, 0.85 raised the limit to 32000
- the reason i didn't just set a really high default is there is a memory cost to having a huge edicts array even if it's not all used. it's not a big deal for modern computers but it does mean increasing your heapsize, which not everyone knows about.
I Also Noticed...
#6136 posted by JPL on 2009/09/29 08:30:58
...aguirRe's GLQuake v1.33 crashes my laptop at office: it enters an infinite loop somewhere and stuck the game (screen frozen, and buzzing sound).
fter some research on the internet, it seems it comes from the video card that does not like that much GL stuff... but why is it working fine with FitzQuake, and why is it working fine with GLQuake v1.31 ? Mystery....
Yeah, ATI Sucks.
#6137 posted by Spirit on 2009/09/29 10:19:30
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