Argument is invalid, Unreal and Gears were both terrible games. 

jt_: Wait! Apparently they lied and it is just Wine for Limbo at least. I'll post when I know more. Since I already bought it... 

What critical discussion? "Everything sucks" isn't a discussion. It's a lifestyle. :) 

I did play Unreal back in the day, on a P166MMX :)

I enjoyed it, but I just think that GoW was a deeper richer game. Mainly because in ten years gaming had moved forwards with more technology for richer games. 

Misread that post then. 

Correct I didn't read that gibberish. "I think GOW was a deeper richer game" justifies my decision not to.

P.S. HTH nitin :) 

UT had layers like an onion, maaaan... 

just listened to the few skrillix songs posted in this thread. honestly it doesn't seem that bad to me, although if that's his best songs, it doesn't put my in any hurry to download his albums.

however the songs did seem to have some cool beats and a bit of rhythm going on, which is a lot more than can be said about a lot of rock and metal these days which is just constant noise. they'd probably sound good in a pool bar with not so much dancing going on but just some cool grimey electronic stuff. 

"Yeah, sorry dude ... your music is alright but it's just not good enough for me to download for free." 

These days. I do frequent and brutally honest cleanses of my music folder these days.
My opinion:
I think Skrillex is mediocre. I also think the hardcore anti Skrillex stuff is unnecessary as the hardcore fandom. That being said, the only hardcore Skrillex fan I know used to be a hardcore nickelback fan. Perhaps instead of being the Cobain of ...fax machiney dubstep?... He's the chad Kroeger.

Re HIB:
Just started playing bastion now and I am blown away by how much I'm loving it already! Wasn't sure I'd be a fan of the art style but in game it is actually pretty damn charming.
Totally not ready for Dark Descent though. I think I had a small stroke. 

These days. 

Lol Willem that's about right

"sorry skrillax your music is ok, but not enough to spend the time in my precious life downloading it for free" 

Does nobody have standards anymore? Is this the sort of trolling that is expected to get responses these days? I mean ... ahh, forget it. If you can't even take a piracy dig and turn it into something respectable ... you all really must be too old to play this game. 

For the record Limbo is an incredible game that everyone should play! 

Who me? I don't really troll tbh, just speak my mind.

I personally don't believe in paying for music. Not when I've spent 100s of hours creating Quake levels and gave them out for free, so why does some little bitch named Rihanna for example, who's already many times a millionaire, think she deserves $30 of my hard earned money for one of her albums that she's already made millions on, and probably threw together in a few weeks. Do I earn millions of dollars with a few hours work? NO.

I can understand with the smaller bands that haven't made it big, but anyone who's big makes loads of cash for concerts - which I do pay for if they actually ever come to my country - and from people who do buy their music either on itunes or cd.

My money is far more valuable to me than it is to Rihanna so she can buy another pair of $100k shoes to wear once. So why should she have it just because she made some songs? And let's be honest, most of the mainstream artists these days don't write or produce their own music. They get it given to them on a plate. And even if they did, guys like Skrillax prove that it's really not that hard to make music. I'm 100% certain I could make better music than most of what's out there today, with the necessary tools and experience - but that's wasn't my chosen profession. It's really NOT that hard to make music.

Ultimately, most artists don't actually deserve all the money they get just because they made some cool songs. I put just as much effort as they do into my own professional, and I don't charge millions for it. $30 for a cd is a ripoff, and I won't pay that much for any album ever again unless it's someone I really, really respect (Amon Tobin, Boards Of Canada).

So that's my little rant about why I don't pay for music and don't believe I should :D 

with the necessary tools and experience - but that's wasn't my chosen profession. It's really NOT that hard to make music.

Yeah I think the same thing everytime I listen to Jimi Hendrix. Totally unimpressive, just give me ten years of daily practice and bleeding fingers.

Oh, and a life-time of turmoil and family strife to channel into my music. 

Also during lunch just now I played some Limbo and god it owns so much.
Perhaps the best industrially-themed game ever made! 

hehe well not so much Hendrix. I guess there are plenty of artists that have spent years practising on instruments that don't deserve to get pirated.

I'm thinking more computer based production rather than actually playing a musical instrument, because that's actually mostly what I listen to. Electronic genres, hiphop. But much of the top 40 stuff these days isn't a typical band. A producer made their song. Maybe I'm wrong and there's more bands out there in the mainstream. 

He's not going to benefit from any of the money.

If his family didn't sell his rights, then maybe they would? If not it would be the record label that gets rich of that 40 years dead dude ... 

He ain't dead baby he just went home. 

Hence why I wouldn't reinstall GOW if someone forced me at gunpoint, would rather listen to 5 minutes of chronic diarrhoea than a Skrillex track, and definitely pay for all the artist music I get because I believe that people deserve payment for the effort they put in to that media. 

these dudes are Old Skool. 

was just pondering the whole Skrillex v GoW v Unreal v Me v Shambler v Willem BS.

Quite funny really. 

although it didnt really fan as much as it should have. Maybe you guys have lost your trolling skills. 

Ricky is trolling or just an imbecile.

Willem isn't he's just irate and misguided.

I was just honestly trying to help, Nitin!