Heheh
#5911 posted by R.P.G. on 2007/03/12 02:48:09
Well I think if we all just spelled his name right consistently that might be thanks enough. :)
Yeah
#5912 posted by golden_boy on 2007/03/12 17:51:40
I won't look back. I even tried writing Linux makefiles for his tools, but apparently they contain windows-or microsoft specific code. No idea. They don't compile.
Anyway, the tools are great (the lighting! WOW) so I'm absolutely going to live with that.
I knew I didn't have more than 2 light styles there :-D :-D :-D
Anyone Know A Way...
#5913 posted by than on 2007/03/13 11:45:32
to get a list of all the precache models in a level along with the total number?
Mcache
#5914 posted by aguirRe on 2007/03/13 11:59:08
for mdl/bsp/spr and soundlist for wav.
AguirRe
#5915 posted by than on 2007/03/13 15:36:08
Just the job. Thanks very much.
232 models :/ I guess that means I have at most 24 more triggers, doors or additional precaches I can use, though I suspect there are some engines that precache their own extra things for enhanced explosions, shotgun shells etc.
Do you know off the top of your head the max number of edicts? Is edicts something that can be increased at the command line in a regular Quake engine?
Edicts
#5916 posted by aguirRe on 2007/03/13 17:01:20
Oldest engines (DOSQuake?): 450
Old engines: 600
Old Neh engines: 1000
Joe: 2048
Fitz: cvar, up to 8192
My engines: 4096
DP: 32768
Other engines may be different. I haven't seen any cmd line option for edicts.
Usually, it doesn't help much increasing just the edict limit, as having many edicts will just generate packet overflows or SZ_GetSpace errors instead. The only engines I know that can handle many edicts are DP and my own.
Size Limit On Rooms?
#5917 posted by STALEPIE on 2007/03/13 22:08:02
I'm working on a level where you are at the top of a tall cliff and you're shooting rockets down far below. Is there a limit to the size of a room in Quake? I get a lot of tearing in the distance I think because the room and blocks are too big.
How Do You Mean?
#5918 posted by ijed on 2007/03/13 22:52:13
By tearing - it sounds like HOM (hall of mirrors). It also depends on your engine. In AguirRe's the only limit is created by including fog, which sets a clip plane before it's end that can chop long distance stuff (not sure how far, 1024 units or so).
If you include fog with a low density and have long distances this'll crop up. If not you should be able to see from one corner of a max extents box to the other. Though it does depend on the engine.
Other than that you can try looking for tiny brush misalignments - the usual cause for HOM's.
#5919 posted by STALEPIE on 2007/03/13 23:32:49
I'm using WinQuake and might start using DOS. I made my giant room smaller and now it doesn't tear much (unless you get in a certain corner with a lot of enemies around). It was just a test map. I was curious if there was some set limit you weren't supposed to go past. Thanks, ijed.
In Original WinQuake
#5920 posted by aguirRe on 2007/03/14 00:12:20
try setting
r_maxedges 100000
r_maxsurfs 100000
or just use my Enhanced WinQuake and save yourself a lot of trouble.
#5921 posted by STALEPIE on 2007/03/14 01:11:30
I know the game is ten years old, but I want to design it for the original.
AguirRe
#5922 posted by than on 2007/03/14 01:37:52
thanks for the info, you fountain of knowledge you.
Hi Ijed...
#5923 posted by distrans on 2007/03/14 02:46:10
... looks like you found some trax for your pack, but if you need sound in the future drop me a line.
#5924 posted by STALEPIE on 2007/03/14 06:02:48
What is the best program for drawing your own Q1 textures?
Distans
#5925 posted by ijed on 2007/03/14 16:10:44
Thanks for the offer, though I found some that fit really well. I thought about asking but didn't want to because it'd be alot to make in a short time.
But now I've got some computer issues so I don't know how long it'll take for release; bah.
Stalepie
#5926 posted by madfox on 2007/03/14 20:44:02
#5927 posted by STALEPIE on 2007/03/14 21:28:08
Thanks, Madfox.
Marksurface Issue
#5928 posted by JPL on 2007/03/15 22:38:51
I'm currently working on a big project (i.e Doom3 Hell level remake), and I exceeded this evening the maximum marksurface value (i.e message is WARNING: Marksurfaces 34803 exceed normal engine max 32767 , with aguirRe's TxQBSP v1.12). I'm able to load the map with aguirRe's engine, but it is choppy as Hell with FitzQuake...
I just would like to know if there's something I can do either to dicrease Marksurfaces in a map... without removing any poly (and it is not yet finished....), either if there's something to do with engine options... or if I have to restrict the map to aguiRre's engine ?
Any advices ?
JPL
#5929 posted by negke on 2007/03/15 23:15:37
if you're planning to expand the map further, you likely have a problem. you can try to lower marksurfaces by turning some structures into funcs, moving them away from adjacent brushes, or reducing faces by merging them into individual textures.
JPL
#5930 posted by aguirRe on 2007/03/16 01:07:49
According to other mappers, marksurfaces might go up and down while adding more brushes, so you could try continue working on it and see if they drop.
Furthermore, if Fitz is just choppy, I doubt that it's the marksurfs that's causing it (normally it would crash if the marksurfs were exceeded). You could also check with e.g. JoeQuake.
Try upping heapsize instead and see if that helps, e.g. 48-64MB.
Yes Marksurfaces Can Make You Insane!
#5931 posted by Hrimfaxi on 2007/03/16 01:14:02
Sometimes they go up other times they go down.
I'm having trouble with marksurfaces as well on the map I have in beta.
I have found that Fitzq can handle marksurfaces up to around 38000 and then it crashes! Anything under this seems to be safe although it's over the max.
Indeed...
#5932 posted by distrans on 2007/03/16 03:25:12
...if you can build it over the limit Fitz will handle it to where Hrimfaxi indicates. But, JPL if this thing is as big as I think then you might seriously consider chopping it up at some logical point. The only way I could get qte2m3 to work in the end was lop off everything past the GK door and turn that into a separate "end" level...that and simplify some of the natural rock formations in the main map (that was painful =/ but necessary)
Good luck with it either way.
Fitz And Exceeded Max Marksurfs
#5933 posted by than on 2007/03/16 06:04:13
I am currently having problems with the number of marksurfs in my large map, but fitzquake still loads it. The thing you need to be careful of in fitz is that when marksurfs, clipnodes etc. are exceeded, memory gets randomly overwritten. I don't know exactly how random this is, because at the moment there are no noticeable problems with my map. However, when I had too many clipnodes as well as marksurfs, the last func entities that I created were becoming nonsolid - I guess this is just because there were too many clipnodes to fit into memory and the solid entities were the last things being loaded so they became nonsolid.
I have had fitz crash because of exceeded maxsufs before, but oddly it doesn't crash as soon as you pass the limit. Anyone know why?
Hhmmmmm
#5934 posted by JPL on 2007/03/16 08:57:14
Thanks a lot for all the advices... I think I will continue my work as I just need one more corridor and a room plus the final area to finish the map... Maybe it will pass with a fullvis process... In anyway, I already have an idea where to split the map... I'll see that later when all the design will be done. Maybe FitzQuake will be able to load it without choppy thing... I don't know what happened, but it occurs after the first monster spawn... pretty weird... I have to re-test it to see if the problem is persistent....
Thanks a lot again ;)
MarkSurfs Crashing
#5935 posted by aguirRe on 2007/03/16 11:40:51
The limit *is* 32768, any engine that's not fixed to handle a higher amount will behave unpredictably due to memory being trashed. Depending on how that memory was/is being used, you'll get different results.
JPL: did higher heapsize help the choppyness?
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