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Right 
but I'm a madcap when it's concerning qc.
even changing a line and correct it makes the compiler peak to errors.
I'm using fricdos, others won't even compile.

and I see two times swimmonsters_start but I can't delay them. If I delete the first one the fishcount still is double. 
Maybe A Stupid Question 
Hopefully an obvious one.
I was sitting around with some free time today so I decided to try and make a little speedmap. However I've encountered a frustrating problem along the way...

I have three doors, all with different names. They all go down. They are all within a close proximity to eachother. I have a trigger_counter that causes one set of doors to go down. When this happens the other two doors that do not yet have triggers also go down. Any ideas as to why?
I tried copying and pasting, then changing the name of one door. No doors moved at all, even when triggered... Can someone help with this?
Thanks 
Doors... 
if the doors' bounding boxes overlap or touch, they might be automatically linked by the func_door logic. To prevent this, you can use the spawnflag "DONT_LINK" or whatever it's called on each door. 
Trains 
does the same logic affect func_trains? 
Ijed: 
i don't think so. 
Key 
How do I open a Keydoor at the moment I'm in front of it? So not when I find the key somewhere else and return to an open keydoor. 
Madfox: 
set a spawnflag on the door (8 or 16 I think, one is for silver and the other is for gold) 
Madfox 
In Hammer/Worldcraft there is a "Gold key required" tick box in the properties field of a door entity. This way you can change the proper spawnflag. If your editor doesn't have such simple "feature" you should really change it :) 
Thanks 
I am using Quark65, and when I set a door to a key it changes the spawnflag to 8 or 16. If I return to the keydoor it is already opened. 
Maybe 
maybe you have added some wrong spawnflags to the key? 
MadFox 
You don't need to set a 'target' on the Gold Key or a 'targetname' on the door as you would for a button operated door.

I don't know if this helps? 
MadFox 
For further details about flags, etc... please take a look at Quake Map Specs link below

http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/QDP/qmapspec.html

Enjoy ! 
MadFox 
You would find also precious information about Quake C here


http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/spec/quake-spec34/index0.htm


Enjoy ! 
Argh.. 
Indeed 
It was rather simple. I always used a targetname to a keydoor.
Then they open straight away.
Without target/targetnames they open at the trashold. Me donkey.

Thanks for your reply.
Another strange thing. Can changing texture (so not polys) influid the lightmap texture?
I mean just correcting a few margins, not scaling.
My map crashed on allocblok=full after I tried to retexture it.
The original map compiled fine. 
Madfox: 
Switching textures should not affect lightmap size, but rotating a texture on a polygon might increase lightmap size just like scaling does. 
Yes 
what metl said, but I'd guess that since you typically change the texture in the editor, it's very likely that minor brush variations occur, leading to a slightly different lightmaps requirement.

Since you're using QuArK with its float coordinates, this is probably even more likely. As you're also flush to the lightmap limit to begin with, even small changes might put you over the edge. 
Metlslime 
re: post 5874, I came across a wierd effect where multiple sets of triggers and relays and counters were non triggering trains or were triggering more than they should have been - wierd.

The idea was archways (func_trains with -1 wait on each path_corner) over a floating plaform in the void - if you destroyed the pillars (func_walls killtargeted by trigger_once with health) holding them up then they would collapse, taking part of the platform (another func_train) with them, but only one at a time.

It worked, sort of, except for the problem with archways only falling after the others were all destroyed, or else destroyed in a different order. This was annoying but solvable - the main reason I scrapped it because the Vermis� spore attack wasn�t doing any damage to the trigger once�s, only the players attacks.

I�ve changed it around now and it works better in the new style, without destructable scenery. It was a bit cheap when you fell into the void because of a missed shot.

Cheers anyway. 
Thanks Everyone. Especially Metl. 
 
Animated Textures 
I changed some textures of the hipnotic pak.
Some computer compenents I retextured to animated.
It are 7 frames. If I look at them in game they work fine.

On my other computer I load the bsp and see one frame meshed out as a white/black block.

How can the same bsp act different on two computers? 
Style Question 
I'm in the process of doing the Episode 1.1 thing, i.e. upgrading episode 1 with pak1 monsters and traps.

Would you guys consider it out of style to include some (read: a little) Quoth content? For example the Bob, voreling, drole, and the weapons/powerups?

Right now I'm installing Quoth again just to check some things out. I think if the Base project is successful, it will pretty much establish Quoth as a standard, so I might as well use it.

Especially if we see this Quoth 2 thing that I keep hearing about. 
And... (this Forum Needs An Edit Function) 
What would you like to see changed/corrected in episode 1? Apart from the missing light texture in Ziggurat Vertigo :-)

now's your chance. 
Sure, 
Quoth is designed to go hand and hand with Quake content. The original Quoth I kind of view as an extension of the Underworld theme. So, yeah, sure, make a Quothique episode one. KellCro already have done the SlipGate Complex in the Quoth pack. A few points.

1) I'm not crazy about Bob.

2) I don't see Quoth2 coming out. I could be wrong, and Kellcro are doing a suprise behind the scenes, but I doubt it. More likely both are burned out on Quoth, Quake,and all the good stuff in life.

3) If you see Quoth2 coming at you, run like hell. It will suck you in to
its vortex and never let you go.

3) Does the Sentry in the Quoth 2 beta remind you of someone who comes around only once a year?

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9644/quake13us4.jpg 
EkderWorld Theme I Mean 
 
Hehe 
yeah, he does :-)

I know what you mean about Bob. I spent the last few hours playing chapters and the quoth (test) maps again. Bob (like several quoth enemies) has too many hit points compared to standard monsters, and he can be a bit annoying (just like that flying polyp thing.) Also the explosion etc. is a bit overdone.

The model and skin however I think are very cool.

After playing those maps again, the only monsters I'd want to include are vorelings, but the price of requiring a pak file is a bit too high...

You're right, if this were episode 4 (which I'm not a fan of) the picture would look very different. With those crazy maps like the Pain Maze etc.

thanks for input. 
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