A short but very nice map. Having a horde fight at the end would ruin it for me though, the map deserves better. The atmosphere is amazing. Make it 2-3 times the size/length and it will be perfect!

There is one major issue: Rogue fullbrights on the textures. Try running the map in Fitzquake or a software rendered engine (eg winquake.exe). Some screenshots:

http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem006.jpg (sure the "orb" should stay fullbright)
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem007.jpg
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem008.jpg
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem009.jpg
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem010.jpg

Maybe cut those centerprint "comments" they damaged the atmosphere/immersion for me.
Nice idea with the different twist in nightmare skill (the key appears on normal skill too though). I also like the vore surprise, heh. Is the secret available? I did fix the masonry but nothing happened (that I noticed).

PS: Please use a plain .txt file for the final readme. ;) 

I dunno what to do about the textures exactly, outside of changing a few of them. they bloom nicely in modern QW engines.
How many people really run in software mode?

I suppose I could clean those up a bit in PSP and rebuild the wad if it's a major issue. The lava textures are really supposed to glow though. It's a tough call.

The secret is available and is right when you spawn in ecfc1 in the lower area. :P the bricks thing isn't a secret, just a fun thing i put in there.

.rtf converted to .txt for future release.

thanks for the input :) 

It's not really a software thing, it's more a feature from original Quake that glquake was missing and not all later engines fixed (Most majors ones except for aguirRe's glquake do though). Definitely a thing to fix. I think Wally might even have a feature to eliminate them (or I mix up things in my memory).

That secret is well hidden, heh.

I just remember two more things: The wooden beams need some texture alignment fixing. And for me the rusty metal lights look out of place. 

"How many people really run in software mode? "

I will from time to time. It captures that original "feel" that modern engines just can't quite hit. FitzQuake comes closest to matching it though. 

Ok and yes I've been looking to remove those in Wally without ripping those textures up too bad. It's definitely a considerable change. I think one thing that may be a problem is that texture matching may differ once those are remipped, so the textures won't look right when tiled to each other eventually. It's worth some work and investigation. I don't want to take the ambience out of it by replacing the textures, but that may be a final solution if all else fails. Thanks.

Also, I don't want to give the impression that I'm dismissing the use of software run Quake. I think I left that statement a bit vague...I respect the crap out of what John and others have done to take the code to higher standards, I just need to test these out in a ton of engines before release... (that's why i'm still in beta) :D

Also, Spirit, That wood tex is getting replaced and aligned. I had texture lock on when i moved a bunch of them around :\ I'm also adding a ton of loose bricks to both maps for ambience.

The centertext triggers are going to be key to puzzle solving in later maps, so I want to keep them atm. I just won't overdo it, may tone them down a tad as far as wait times. Come on nobody laughed at the 'Djinn Antonic'? At any rate, I want this to be very un-Quake but a combination of Quake and H2 puzzle styles. The text is a fun part of that and allows for an immersive story which I feel Quake lacked, but Hexen II 'tried' to hit on.

The floor stones are meticulous enough in the lower aread to give you an idea as to where the secret is. I know it's a bit dark in that area and I didn't give it any clues on the texture. I hope people won't hate me for it ><. 

Basically this map rocks!

Maybe another room on the start map.

Please leave the stained glass windows as they are - the fullbright textures there look sweet IMHO.

I like the fact the you get mobbed by dogs if you dont start off shooting. Leave that in too.

Get in touch with Ijed maybe when you've finished this and do a map for the Remakequake project (thread is in the dicussion section of func_)!!!

nice work 

Ooooh, I only meant the "uh-oh" and that other one (was there, wasn't it?). The messages on the tomb are very nice! 

GL_FLASHBLEND 0 and so on... and I dunno if there's any software charm to capture 

Definate Koohoo and then This Onion influences.

I wouldn't make the tombs cause damage though - its only low but I was pissing about to read the text before I noticed my armour draining away.

Might be good to complicate those with some zombie spawns instead.

You could probably replace half the Vores with Shamblers.

For the finale It'd be nice to see lava bit open and a load of spawns. Just an idea. 

 

looks awesome, this texture set is very good and the lights are nice! keep the good work! 

this reminds me that old norvegian winter pak :) 

Very good use of DKT3 texture set there... Shots are very nice ! 

The texture conversion issues are glaring. The glass windows look really bad with those spotty/discolored areas. It's not just stray fullbrights, it's the pallette change from Daikatana to Quake.

I don't think using 100% "alien" textures for a map is very good. The screenie with the HK and ogre infighting looks very much like "Quake monsters having a field trip in Daikatana".

Their skins use the Quake pallette as intended, while the converted textures come from a different pallette. Thus, there is a mismatch. Textures and monster skins were created for different games, and it doesn't go together.

It's something else if you hand-pick Daikatana textures to go with original Quake ones, though. It's also something else in DM maps, because you don't see any monsters. So it can work - until you see Quake player models in the map, which again creates a misfit.

It often happens that a mapper becomes so fascinated with a game's textures that he wants to use them for the entire map, forgetting about all the issues that he is creating, because from his subjective perspective (through his momentary glasses of excitement) the map looks great.

But the map is only a part of the game. Quake monsters in what is practically, artwork wise, a Daikatana map just look shit. Smoothing over problems with bloom effects using certain engines is kinda dirty, too.

It's simply bad/no art direction.

Sorry for raining on the parade. But that's simply how it is. I'm sure they are great maps, but I could never get over the art direction problem.

This is only personal, of course. So... feel free to dismiss this comment... 

I love the art direction of the map. I think it looks incredible and quite unique. I wish more maps will pick up this dark and evil medieval theme. To me the textures are very very much fitting Quake.

JPL: Not my map. ;) 

I wasn't talking about only the map, I was talking about the map as part of the game (monsters, items, everything that is on screen). I think saying that the glass window textures look "incredible" is a bit questionable. Need glasses?

I was not even trying to be mean, just honest.

But anyway. It's UPG like much of what I say/post/write. 

10c 

don't agree with everything gb said, but yeah, saying the glass texture looks incredible, let alone even 'decent' is ludicrous. the errant fullbrights make it look like complete shit.

once those fullbrights are cleaned up, i'm sure it'll look fine. plenty of maps have been done in completely new textures, and they look great. doing a map is all (or most) DKT textures isn't the problem. it's just the bad conversion that is. 

i said it looked freakyy 

http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/reQuiem009.jpg

its just too beautiful your minds cant take it in. neither can mine. reminds me of my velux bedroom windows :S 

I DID mention that those fullbrights should be eliminated, didn't I? 

While on one hand you're completely right, on the other hand Quake itself is such a mish-mash/hodge-podge of stuff that sometimes it may not matter anyway. (Not sure how it is in this case, haven't looked).

That window texture is definitely ass though, that has to go. (Fix it or get rid of it!) 

replacing window textures for next release... thinking about making my own...

and patched up the lava brick textures to eliminate fullbrights. 

|:) 

screens & download: http://haukerehfeld.de/blog/2009-03-17_megadm4-beta1 :D

comments on architecture appreciated!