but I had forgotten about Spirit's wad collection. I was under the impression the wad site died with Scampie losing his site last year. Thanks, though. 

:) 

Does anyone know who made the "aop" maps, I've found single player and DM maps starting with "aop" but cannot locate a readme in any of the zips I've found, not even the Underworld site.

Anyone happen to know the name of the author for aop2m1 or the other aop maps? 

Nevermind ... figured it out. 

back in the early days I played a couple of levels by an author named Ray. Both levels were of a good standard, and very closely matched the id levels. One was an idbase level, and the other was a metal map. Each had "Ray" written in fullbrite red in a secret location. Does anyone else remember these maps and know where I can download them? 

could you upload those skins to a freehost so we can all get them ? Thanks. 

http://www.quaddicted.com/wads/

I actually spent the evening modifying a different set of textures that needed a bit of darkening to fit the Quake scheme (not IKWhite) for the map. 

anyone with Grade A sexy knowledge of QuakeC, is there anyway to get a killtarget to eliminate a func_illusionary using some sort entity field wizardry in unmodified Quake? 

than were dm or sp maps? i think i already seen that also...

i can look at home but if u say dm or sp spair me a lot of troubles... they are so many :\ 

they were SP/DM hybrid maps like the standard id maps. I think they were mainly intended for sp, and whilst not particularly challenging or interesting, they were solid and I would like to see them again. 

i will try to find when i get home tonight! i�m at work :( and at work just can map and see webpages... :| 

works with the info_notnull/modelindex trick. see preach's posts a few pages before. 

how can i find out which special characters are usable in quake - like the umlaut in zerstorer, which is done by "�" (� in html)?
the name makers i tried only had standard letters.
i'm specifically looking for something to display "�"... if it'S possible at all, that is. 

http://wiki.quakesrc.org/index.php/Quake%20Font is a list of the characters you can get in quake. I don't see � on the list, so what you might want to do is replace one of the existing characters on there with a custom graphic for �. You'll need one of the special quake utilities to edit conchars, either adquedit or fimg
http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=2919
I don't know if this is how zerstorer did it, but it's possible. 

those are the standard characters i was talking about. but apparently there must be more. i'm sure in zer it wasn't done by replacing any characters with custom ones. so i just figured if there is � there might be others as well. 

mean the blanks in conchars.pcx in gfx.wad openable with adquedit? 

Those are the only characters quake has, the font is defined by the conchars image. I've gone and checked, and adding replacing characters is indeed how the zerstorer guys did it. If you open up gfx.wad and look at conchars, they added two o-umlauts as the last two characters of the image. I would guess that these are a good choice for a replacement. You probably don't need to replace both, best to go for the second last one. 

there are lots of empty characters here and there. 

ok, thanks. i didn't get it because conchars isn't displayed in texmex for some reason. worked with another program.
i'm likely not going to fiddle around with it, though. 

empty chars are used in combination with other chars by the engine to e.g. simulate a blinking cursor. Stock conchars and std engines have issues with this that e.g. the OUM conchars has "fixed" (i.e. compensated for it).

But then changed engines (e.g. DP) get problems due to overcompensation. Argh ... 

TexMex and conchars editing is a really sorry mess. 

but the problem with OUM is that they switched which char was blank and which had a cursor.

I ended up giving up on all that and I now put hard-coded cursor images into fitzquake. It sucks that mods can't customize them, but at least they are consistent to the user. 

If anyone has a monstrous map that they need to compile, send it to me. I am setting up an ex-server that has 4 processors, and if my assumptions are correct, this will greatly speed up the compiling process compared to almost any other modern system.

Unless, of course, by some horrible circumstance, our compilers do not run on linux and do not support multiprocessor setups... 

I can send you my multi-threaded vis for Linux. Works great. 

please do. email is in profile!