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BTW I am not making any judgement on the map's quality by reference to it's difficulty in that statement. That's a whole different issue (for which you should refer to my first post).
About the gameplay. I think the reason that it's either seen as too easy or too hard is that the map is made up of a few key battles and a whole bunch of easy BS. When you're at the end of the circular tunnel and you come across the two ogres, you have to exit the tunnel because you won't be able to dodge grenades in there. That's one of the key battles. Another one is the first shambler. He's right out in the open, and either you know how to deal with that and he's easy or you don't and he's hard. The second shambler is in a reasonably open area and is the same deal. Also the first teleporting fiend is a problem. The first time you release him your back turned to him because you're facing the button. He pops in too close to expect the player to react to the sound cue fast enough.
The arcitecture in general is quite good. In the final area I found myself running up and down the stairs killing sequences of appearing baddies. That got pretty repetitive and I didn't feel like I was getting any where. I think it might have been more satisfying if the arcitecture of the room changed with each kill. It would create the impression of something meaningful happening and that there was real progression. The walls dropping to release more baddies is actually rather subtle and I didn't even notice it until I had cleaned the room out because I was too busy doing said cleaning. You're welcome.
I honestly didn't know if shamb and czg were joking. Through hard experience I've learned to take people on the internet at face value until I know better. ;p maybe this will entertain you a little : http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/could_speedy.dz
Super map. To me, normal lacked action, but hard was just the ticket. Great detailing and lighting. On the downside some lifts were not convinient - you`ll see in the demo. I played on normal like I usually do, so maybe like speedy said, it wasnt that bad on normal but was quite tough on hard.
RPG, I thought the end arena fit in reasonably well with the theme. ...interesting, pretty similar to how I was playing except you actually made it. I was generally more cautious, you got lucky with some infighting and particularly at the end. It does show that the secrets are very important indeed in this map (I did myself quite a disservice cheating to find them in an early beta).
I enjoyed it, very solid looking & nice curvy brushwork. I thought hard skill was okay upto the final arena & then it got tough although on a second run through there were tactics you could use that made it easier. Perhaps it lacked a little in the originality department both texture & gameplay-wise.
Overall very good :) You MUST finish MisSP1 or I won't release anymore maps! Ever!
p.s. scampie, this threat obviously isn't directed at you. I just finished the map on hard with the benefit of one secret (this secret would be the first found if you knew where all where.) I found this to be a really well constructed and nicely laid out map. The lighting added to the mood and the ambient sounds added to the sombre mood. The details such as terminals, crate lifts, piping, trim etc. was cool.
After reading some comments, I feared that it may be too hard for me. But, I took a chance and played through on skill 2 (without trying 0 or 1 first)and I didn't start dying until things got busy in the final room. It took several tries but I finished and I found this to be quite a fun map gameplay wise. The multi-layered slaughter fest climax has been used by other SPQ1 mappers and this map was in the same vane. After getting all kills - I went back (had to noclip up the hole to the last room - sorry ;)) to look for the other 3 secrets. I found them all without cheating. Very nice map for secret hunters. Overall this is a very well made and fun base map. The best way to survive is to keep moving, use cover and fight hard. Keep the high ground if you can. If you die - just try again. Thanks RPG! Don't know if this is a relevant point or not, but if your're playing Q1 on a super pimped machine, could gameplay become almost impossably hard? I played Could on a 1.2GHz P4 with an older 64Mb Radeon and it was nice. If I play Unreal 1 Botmatch, I'm licked up and humiliated.
The GL I stumbled into, the YA was pretty obvious, the starting one took a bit of looking around, but I had to resort to a secret detector (!) to find the MH.
but if your're playing Q1 on a super pimped machine, could gameplay become almost impossably hard? No. All AI happens at 10fps, and doesn't take advantage of more time to think (not that it has much to think about). is posted.
http://www.planetquake.com/underworld/quakerev030908.html nice stuff RPG, but i expected that from you :) very close to giving this 18/20 :P is posted.
http://www.planetquake.com/underworld/quakerev030908.html nice stuff RPG, but i expected that from you :) very close to giving this 18/20 :P Drat. I was hoping for that 18/20.
Thanks for the review. I'll link your site on my page under the "maps reviewed at" section. One small error: The full title is "And All That Could Have Been". You left off the "And". I've searched everywhere on the map and I still can't find a hidden giant cock and balls.
Other than that I really enjoyed it. Nice work. :-) I was
Most enjoyable on Medium skill, good work RPG! ...You all need to go vote for this map on Underworldfan's top Q1SP maps! http://www.planetquake.com/underworld/qclassics.html
...is mine!
Summa summarum, [asslicking]it's good to see good maps from good mappers :)[/asslicking]
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