tronyn, this is something evil and big!
very well done! and i liked the view from the top! :) 

Regarding the previous comments, I will play your map for sure... but be patient, I still have a long long fullvis still running on my PC, and I'd really prefer to wait for its end before launching any other "CPU consuming" task...
BTW, the screenshots looks very good... and all these lake of blood are.. brrr... frightening... it sounds very good, and very "satanic" as well... ;P 

just ctrl+c and finish it later!! ^_^; 

What a great map! I love large maps and I love the horde gameplay. Tons of monsters are teh fun.

46:47
3/8
335/340

Very good outdoor design, grand scale. Well balanced gameplay, not being too hard, maybe only in some places. Bloody and satanic ending was cool.

I thought I was making kinda horde gameplay in my map, now I know: I wasn't.

/me wonders about the scale of Tronyn's arcane wizard maps. 

Time: 53:32
Kills: 402/404
Secrets: 3/8

great, great map many,many thks Tronyn for this nice 53 minuts at home in gl i can promiss that i will replay for sure...

:)

P.s.-> view from top is fantastic loved u add many many Ra�s i got about 5 or 6 

Yes, I'm using aguirRe's vis, but I'm really hurry that vis ends its process now (it's running since... more than 1000 hours... yes more than one thousands hours ... you read it correctly..)... I'm compiling a huge map as well... wait and see.... ;P 

bloody hell ?

aguire,

point noted, will play again. 

this is the kind of map that i love to play, many action and quad runs... :) rockzzzz stuff like these should be made every week :) 

AguirRe is already aware of this... I'm trying to obtain an award for "longest fullvis runtime process ever"... BTW, if it ends correctly, it will prove aguirRe's tool is really bugfree... Anyway, it's off-topic.. I will give feedback about Tronyn's map later... 

First of all, i'd just like to say that I am thoroughly enjoying this excellent map :)

I'm playing on skill 1, and so far I'm finding the combat fine, even with mega-hordes, and the architecture is fantastic :)

But...I'm fairly suspicious a bug is preventing me from progressing any further, simply because I don't remember being this stumped when I playtested it way back then.

Basically, I pushed a button in a large hall, which spawned a quad and a ton of monsters. I killed the monsters and now i don't know where to go. Behind me are some closed bars that says "a beast rots in a cage" or something. To my right is some stairs up to another floor, but the route is blocked. In front of me, lies a series of stairs that leads to some sort of large cage which housed a bunched of shamblers and a vore until I killed them. The door to this cage is blocked.

Any help is appreciated :} 

DarkPlaces, then that's your problem. A shambler ("the beast") is supposed to appear in the cage near the ceiling, but he's gone in DP (this happens in many maps). When you kill him, the closed bars will open.

If you're not using DP, I don't know really ... 

didn't appear in the cage when I played it [using DarkPlaces]. He was just on the floor with the rest of the monsters. Killed'em all and the bars opened fine. 

yeah, he should appear in DP, just not in the cage, and you should still be able to progress... if this doesn't happen, I guess the only thing you can do is noclip through the bars behind you, go up the stairs (there's a button up there which opens the next floor), noclip back through them, and then you'll find the stairs up to the other floor (with the flat doors at the top of the stairs) open.

Sorry about this, I haven't had this in DP myself. 

and the shambler definately did not appear in that cage :{

(for the record, I am sure I am doing everything else correctly, using -hipnotic etc.)

It is probably worth me mentioning another weird bug that I'd never seen before, that happened in that area. The first time I picked up the Quad...it did nothing o_O. The quad disappeared as I ran over it, but I did not get powered up. I quickloaded and tried it again, and the second time it worked. 

<quote>Skill settings are only functional via the console, not via the enclosed start map.</quote>

They appear to work for me.

I must congratulate you Tronyn, this is a very impressive piece! I really liked climbing around on the clifftop, all too many mappers would have clipped that bit to hell.

My only issue with the map, is that I wish Fitzquake could run it, as it's the only engine I've managed to get high resolutions working in. :\ 

Fuck I want to play this, but I'm having troubles.
I don't have the hipnotic pack, so I downloaded aguiRes little 7zip to remedy that.
When I play it in Darkplaces it gets too choppy for me to have any fun with. When I try to load it up in aguiRes custom winquake I get an error message saying "W_Getlumpinfo: inv_laser not found".
What should I do?
Will it run any more smoothly in winquake than in darkplaces for me? I was surprised that it was as choppy as it was, seeing as how I can play any game currently on the market without experiencing that.
thanks in advance for your help. 

That error would appear if you forgot to add the -hipnotic option to the engine and/or if you didn't put the mini-pak in the hipnotic directory. Please re-check these and see if it helps.

And I recommend to play this in GLQuake as the performance (and looks) is much better than WinQuake. WQ requires a lot of CPU horsepower in higher resolutions. 

Do you have a saved game just prior to the quad/shambler issue? I'd like to take a look to see how the entity situation is at that moment. Please send me the zipped savegame file if possible.

Otherwise I don't know what could've caused this. I usually play on Normal and this hasn't happened to me. Do you use the real hipnotic or my mini-pak? 

sadly, I only have a save after the event (with me being thoroughly lost :})

If you feel this would be useful, I can send you that.

I don't have the real hipnotic installed, so I only used your mini-pak. 

please send that. At least I can see where the missing shambler is (if anywhere).

I made some quick runs with both the original and my enhanced Hipnotic progs and both the quad and shambler worked as expected in all cases.

I also noticed that the big button that spawns the quad horde is actually pushable *without* removing the block above it. Oops ... 

mail sent :) 

DarkPlaces, then that's your problem. A shambler ("the beast") is supposed to appear in the cage near the ceiling, but he's gone in DP (this happens in many maps). When you kill him, the closed bars will open.

If you're not using DP, I don't know really ...

For me, he appeared right in front of me, so he died first :-) 

i was really looking forward to playing this today, especially seeing it has 400+ monsters. is that a record?? the design and layout was great, horde combat all set up well, apart from the slightly unbalanced start and end combats. everything in between was great. plenty health, armor and ammo to make it fun. great job tronyn!

however, this level was completely ruined for me due to the choppiness. it's the worst i've seen in a quake map, constantly hitting 7fps in the huge outdoor area, and even through the insides of the castle it was still too slow to fully enjoy. the outdoor area, particular at the very top level, could have been massively reduced in size.

i'm on an athlon 2.6ghz, 512mb, geforce fx5600. did anyone else find it this bad?

off topic, JPL... you've been running vis for 6 weeks?! u sure it hasn't frozen? 

Oh no, it was not frozen at all... believe me... it's progressing day by day, and I'm actually in the last 2 percent of processing... I'm compiling a huge map as well, and I made a mistake of young mapper: it's my 4th map only you know... But you will see the stuff when I will release it... wait and see... :P 

I've got 2.4 gigahertz, 1024 ram, and radeon 9800. Unless it's related to the ram I can't see what would really make it that slow. I usually played at 1152 by 864 and its always ran fine in both GlQuake and DP for me.

Where does Geforce fx5600 stand in the scale? Or what I mean is what is its equivalent radeon card?

PS: Good to see you still lurking around :)