Are newbies really scared off by how mean func is?

I'll just go on the record and say the reason I've been neglecting mapping has more to do with being a lazy stoner than my having problems with the community.

Did Bloughsburg really leave? If so that's a shame. 

This was not meant as an insult or abuse, but as a true statement. Friends talk privately over the years. Several people know my own struggles and I know them. Your reactions show that you have no regard for mental problems and I'm glad I stayed anonymous ... Metal issues are not something adults considering funny or appropriate to use as insults, specially if true. 

Glad that you're the authority on what everyone else knows about mental health issues. You might have noticed that I have not posted any quotes about Gypsy's mental health issues, only the more outrageous non-mental-health-related statements about himself, his threats, and his insults to other people, that he choose to write (and I'm assuming it took him long enough that he had plenty of time to even temporarily transcend his mental health issues and reconsider his words) and choose to make publicly available. 

I think you misspoke. #429 has some metal health quotes above. 

Somehow feel this BEEF thread is a sort of "rite of passage"! You get into with some here, get your ass kicked, or mutually hold your ground and then... come out the other side in good standing, relatively speaking, hehe. Sure, you may be a bit bloody but HEY.. it's QUAKE so... par for the course.

Or maybe I'm just reading to much into it :-P 

That #429 post was posted as a thread on here and I moved it wholesale - I only put that in quote text to highlight it was someone else's different thread.

I was referring to my cherrypick quoting later on in the second large post #433. 

liked G's voice in his vids, as well as shamblernaught's voice, and on the other hand the other shambler voice is a pretty meh voice 

color me surprised 

talking shit behind the back for TF regulars 

the ssacki-repus drama? ah, the other shambler's befriended ssacki, so won't expect that drama here 

The soul of a single virtuous man hath the worth of ten evil men, for canst not the virtuous man both slay the wicked and preserve his own? 

Terrafusion never changes.

Lol. 

.. drama is over ? 

Drama is never over. 

Beef never changes. 

 

And didn't know where else to put it:

[17:59] Clench Throckmorton: i'm tempted to spare you the deets of my latest bathroom expedition @Shambler
[18:00] Clench Throckmorton: there was no joy to be had in it, especially not for me
[18:00] Clench Throckmorton: at one point, i honestly thought I was about to pull an elvis
[18:01] Clench Throckmorton: and the thought ran through my mind "which poor fucker will be the one who finds me like this?"
[18:01] Clench Throckmorton: tldr version....
[18:01] Clench Throckmorton: the quality of my diet over christmas went to absolute fucking pot
[18:02] Clench Throckmorton: and I very painfully paid the price in an unbelievably unpleasant and torturous way
[18:02] Clench Throckmorton: at one point i had to literally work it out with a fucking finger
[18:03] Clench Throckmorton: that has added a few mental scars i can fucking tell you that for nothing
[18:03] Clench Throckmorton: anyway, not in the best of moods right now.
[18:03] Clench Throckmorton: gonna have a cuppa and reflect on the new year
[18:03] Clench Throckmorton: maybe i do things differently from now on, i dunno 

Ok,

People who are just a bit off, as many are, openly or suppressed, but not offensive - I do not see them getting treated meanly for just being odd or saying odd stuff. This I would say is an even a better outcome than would become to, say, a kid in school being odd :D

Someone having a meltdown - suffering of mental illness, of whichever degree, well, what ?

Does having a disease excuse antisocial behavior in society at large ? Should it here ? Why should it particularly be that people are supposed to react in a special way here ?

What happens in public if one starts ranting off aggressively at people ? They stop and say - oh no poor dear he has a mental illness we must embrace his shitty attitude ?

Don't get me wrong, some metldowns are indeed gut wrenching (for anyone with a touch of empathy) but expecting internet people on forums to not take a slag at such meltdown especially if it contains insulting content - is just out of touch.

People with severe mental illness do need help and not dissing, but among a loose knit group of game/creative enthusiasts is not the place to hope to get it from. its not the function of such a place, it is not a "safe space", its a community of rando people tied by interest in creative activities, no more. You will get unpleasant brush ups with what you perceive to be unpleasant people, one has to deal with such things, it is not elsewise outside the house.
You might through PM get something more, forge a closer friendship with some members of such a community, but this is not going to happen with any community "at large" othe than ones focused on being support groups around the subject of mental illness. 

I was going to post this in the Quake 1.5 mod thread, but decided against that since it's off topic and will possible incur a good flaming.


I get that not everyone likes this mod and that most people can give a valid reason why they don't like it. I personally haven't played it so I cannot say. I did like some of the things I saw in the videos, even though I'm not a fan of the DP aesthetics either.

What I don't understand is the amount of vitriol that's being poured out over this by some people on this board, and elsewhere. Is it really not possible to discuss the merits / faults of this mod without resorting to this kind of language? How hard is it to write "hey, nice effort, but it's not my cup of tea because of X, Y, and Z" instead?

You can be against something without vilifying it our the people who made it. I know it's kind of in the DNA of this community to be overly harsh and critical, but I personally thing it's getting a bit old, and it's detrimental to the overall purpose of this place, which is advocating and improving the Quake mapping (and modding) community.

A lot of people are putting a great effort into keeping this place alive by attracting new talent in various ways. This kind of behavior just counteracts all of these efforts.

Please take a second to read whatever you are posting before you submit it, and maybe tone down the language here and there. You can criticize without being aggressive. 

What kind of "new talent" is it if they're not attracted to Quake by the multiple other great things happening that happened in the recent past, but instead it's Brutal Bloom that attracts them? 

....like accusing people of having "infantile knee-jerk reactions"?? 

It increases the likelihood of them seeing the other content as well. Also generally people are more likely to join a conversation rather that a flamewar. 

My rant applies to both sides of the aisle ;-) 

You're not alone with your thoughts. 

I take it you're unfamiliar with how big Brutal Doom is, and how tunnel visioned its fanbase is. The question "will this run with brutal doom" is practically a running joke amongst the Doom mappers nowadays.

I can't speak for every single mapper obviously, but I would find it very sad, and frustrating, that people would be interested in playing my content only with a mod that actively spoils the experience I intended the player to have.